Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.

[Bucky Ball]

pls see the link to that website I gave on the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano. We have as much evidence for Christ's Power today as those who witnessed His Miracles when He walked on Earth, if not even more, after 2000 years of Eucharistic Miracles, well documented Miracles like those worked by Our Lady of Fatima etc, the Miracle of the Sun seen by 70,000 eyewitnesses on October 13,1917, in Fatima, Portugal. It confounded the Marxist press and led to some accepting/embracing Catholic Christianity.

I have FAR FAR FAR better evidence than you do for ANY of your miracles. 
Your evidence is shit, compared to mine, yet I will bet you don't accept FAR better evidence than you have. 

I present to you a series of events that occurred in what is now, one of the United States of America. 

The Governor of the state in question became involved. 
A court was established. Witnesses were carefully examined and cross-examined, by the best experts of the day. 
Evidence was gathered. Many people confessed in public to the officials of the court. 
The entire proceeding was documented with thousands of sworn affidavits, court documents, interviews and related proceedings. 
Sufficient evidence was established by intelligent men and women of good faith, that the declarations of the witnesses were true, and that these declarations should in all reasonableness result in the established legal consequences that reasonable good adult men and women thought were perfectly legitimate. 

What evidence did they have that the assertions concerning what they said they saw and were convinced of were really true ? 

1. Hundreds if not thousands of people were involved in concluding that what they said they saw and concluded was actually true. 
2. The witnesses provided sworn testimony in court, sworn affidavits which we can look at today, and affirmed they were completely utterly convinced that what they were saying was totally completely true. 
3. The witnesses came from all social strata, and every diverse background, including the most highly educated of the day. 
4. These witnesses included judges, magistrates, the governor of the state, and family members of those about whom the assertions were made. 
5. Many involved had much to lose if the assertions were to be found true. The consequences would impact many in very personal ways, if found to be true, thus had no conflict of interest, or reasin to lie. Many could lose beloved spouses and family members and friends about whom they cared a great deal. 
6. The proceedings were thorough, exhaustive investigations. They deliberately gathered evidence. They made every effort to sort out truth from fallacy. They went to every possible length to actually discern the facts. 
7. There are numerous artifacts from the time, and many documents from the proceedings we can review in person today. 
8. These proceedings happened, not 2000 years ago, but a mere few hundred years ago. The literacy rate was far far higher than in ancient Israel. 
9. For claimed events from 2000 years ago, there are no actual original documents of any kind. None at all. Only copies from centuries later. 
10. For the events in question we have sworn documented court testimony, not just word of mouth transmission. 
11. A truck full of documents from the proceedings exist at the University of Virginia Library. You can go see the testimony of the eye-witnesses for yourself, today. 
12. By any measure or method, the quantity and quality of the evidence for the events in question FAR FAR FAR outweigh the quality of the evidence for the events in Jerusalem 2000 years ago. 
13. Anyone who claims they have good evidence to support belief in Jesus, his death, and resurrection, or any miracle thought to have happened, today, IF they are in any way a consistent, honest, logical and a reasonably thoughtful person, they MUST in good faith also accept :

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That of the 250 people accused, 19 women in Salem Massachusetts, including Sarah Goode, and Rebekah Nurse, The Witches of Salem, really were actually witches, and were justly condemned and executed for performing demon magic. Bwahahahahahaha

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[Gwaithmir]

Christianity is not to manipulate people, it is to help them.....

Yeah, and I'm King Isildur! 

[h4ym4n]

Christianity is not to manipulate people, it is to help them: to lead them to Heaven in the next life by leading them to holiness in this. On the abortion issue, which is an emotional and sensitive issue for many people, we are not going to agree easily, so I'm content to leave it at that. Time will tell who is right. Till then, our motto in the Pro-Life Movement will continue to be: Love Them Both.

Still avoiding Xavie?

In my case, someone who has never believed and wasn’t given the evidence that god gave you that it exists , that me being aborted and instantly being put into heaven or limbo would have been far better for me than being born to a world Satan controls, never believing and being tortured for all eternity for not believing?

[arewethereyet]

Christianity is not to manipulate people, it is to help them.....

Yeah, and I'm King Isildur! 

I'm more inclined to think you are King Isildur.

[Gwaithmir]

Yeah, and I'm King Isildur! 

I'm more inclined to think you are King Isildur.

Tôl acharn!

[Nishant Xavier]

h4ym4n

Nishant XavierChristianity is not to manipulate people, it is to help them: to lead them to Heaven in the next life by leading them to holiness in this. On the abortion issue, which is an emotional and sensitive issue for many people, we are not going to agree easily, so I'm content to leave it at that. Time will tell who is right. Till then, our motto in the Pro-Life Movement will continue to be: Love Them Both.

Still avoiding Xavie?

In my case, someone who has never believed and wasn’t given the evidence that god gave you that it exists , that me being aborted and instantly being put into heaven or limbo would have been far better for me than being born to a world Satan controls, never believing and being tortured for all eternity for not believing?

Nope, I'm not avoiding. Of course if 10 people ask me 10 different questions on 10 different threads, I being only one person, will take some time to answer. But I'll get there. As for your question, I already answered it: since you are an adult, by believing and being baptized in Christ, and receiving Holy Communion, you can receive a far greater degree of glory and higher measure of happiness in Heaven by Good Works of Love. Infant Children who died shortly after Baptism, and thus went to Heaven, or shortly before, and thus would be in Limbo, awaiting the Prayers of their Parents and the Church, have a lower degree of happiness. Since happiness is good and you should seek to obtain it, your objection fails.

If you say you don't believe, the evidence of Eucharistic Miracles should be enough to bring you to faith: See this at Lanciano: http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/...ciano.html It is a scientifically documented Eucharistic Miracle.

Beside, you haven't died yet, so that you will go to Hell is not certain. Those who want to go to Heaven will go to Heaven. Those who don't sadly won't. You should read what St. Thomas, St. Theresa and Fr. Michael Mueller, in Bread of Life (about 100 years ago), in Blessed Eucharist: Our Greatest Treasure said about Holy Communion. He said the slightest degree of Sanctifying Grace outweighs all the treasures of this world, and Holy Communion gives a great or vast increase in Sanctifying Grace every time it is received with devotion and love for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Cited here: https://onepeterfive.com/taste-and-see-t...communion/

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Dear Christian, let us reflect upon this for a moment… St. Thomas tells us that the lowest degree of Sanctifying Grace is worth more than all the riches of the world. Think, then, of all the riches of this world! The mines of gold, of precious stones, the forests of costly wood, and all the hidden stores of wealth, for the least of which treasures the children of this world are willing to toil and struggle and sin for a whole lifetime. Again, consider that the lowest grace which a humble Catholic Christian receives at the rails of the sanctuary at dawn of day, before the great world is astir, outweighs all those riches.
But why do I draw my comparison from the things of this world?
St. Teresa, after her death, appeared to one of her sisters in religion and told her that all the Saints in Heaven, without exception, would be willing to come back to this world and to remain here till the End of Time, suffering all the miseries to which our mortal state is subject, only to gain one more degree of Sanctifying Grace and the eternal glory corresponding to it.(!)

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[Bucky Ball]

Dear Christian, let us reflect upon this for a moment… St. Thomas tells us that the lowest degree of Sanctifying Grace is worth more than all the riches of the world. Think, then, of all the riches of this world! The mines of gold, of precious stones, the forests of costly wood, and all the hidden stores of wealth, for the least of which treasures the children of this world are willing to toil and struggle and sin for a whole lifetime. Again, consider that the lowest grace which a humble Catholic Christian receives at the rails of the sanctuary at dawn of day, before the great world is astir, outweighs all those riches.
But why do I draw my comparison from the things of this world?
St. Teresa, after her death, appeared to one of her sisters in religion and told her that all the Saints in Heaven, without exception, would be willing to come back to this world and to remain here till the End of Time, suffering all the miseries to which our mortal state is subject, only to gain one more degree of Sanctifying Grace and the eternal glory corresponding to it.

That's total bullshit. They (people in heaven) are according to the church, perfectly happy in god's presence. 
Whatever level that are at, they are perfectly happy. You know nothing about Roman theology.
There is no dogma, that, anyone could be aware they could have done better. That's not perfect happiness, it's REGRET. 
Just more made up shit from this idiot heretic who can't think through how to get out of a paper bag. 

"Are there different degrees of happiness in heaven?" 
There aren't various degrees of bliss in heaven because when you go to heaven, you are in the presence of God – which is pure joy, and happiness, and contentment.

[Astreja]

If you say you don't believe, the evidence of Eucharistic Miracles should be enough to bring you to faith...

Nope. I grew up with a strong interest in sleight of hand, and where you see "Eucharistic Miracles" I see trickery.

[Angrboda]

How can somebody with a business degree from a prestigious institute of learning be such a simpleton?

[h4ym4n]

h4ym4n

Still avoiding Xavie?

In my case, someone who has never believed and wasn’t given the evidence that god gave you that it exists , that me being aborted and instantly being put into heaven or limbo would have been far better for me than being born to a world Satan controls, never believing and being tortured for all eternity for not believing?

Nope, I'm not avoiding. Of course if 10 people ask me 10 different questions on 10 different threads, I being only one person, will take some time to answer. But I'll get there. As for your question, I already answered it: since you are an adult, by believing and being baptized in Christ, and receiving Holy Communion, you can receive a far greater degree of glory and higher measure of happiness in Heaven by Good Works of Love. Infant Children who died shortly after Baptism, and thus went to Heaven, or shortly before, and thus would be in Limbo, awaiting the Prayers of their Parents and the Church, have a lower degree of happiness. Since happiness is good and you should seek to obtain it, your objection fails.

If you say you don't believe, the evidence of Eucharistic Miracles should be enough to bring you to faith: See this at Lanciano: http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/...ciano.html It is a scientifically documented Eucharistic Miracle.

Beside, you haven't died yet, so that you will go to Hell is not certain. Those who want to go to Heaven will go to Heaven. Those who don't sadly won't. You should read what St. Thomas, St. Theresa and Fr. Michael Mueller, in Bread of Life (about 100 years ago), in Blessed Eucharist: Our Greatest Treasure said about Holy Communion. He said the slightest degree of Sanctifying Grace outweighs all the treasures of this world, and Holy Communion gives a great or vast increase in Sanctifying Grace every time it is received with devotion and love for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Cited here: https://onepeterfive.com/taste-and-see-t...communion/

Jesus Fuckin Christ

This a yes or fucken no question. 

I’m asking YOUR opinion 

In my case, someone who has never believed and wasn’t given the evidence that god gave you that it exists , that me being aborted and instantly being put into heaven or limbo would have been far better for me than being born to a world Satan controls, never believing and being tortured for all eternity for not believing?