Why did Communists promote Evolution?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Did the Pharisees teach you to say filthy things of Her as they've written in their Talmud?

Wow anti-semitism now

[Bucky Ball]

"How to read the account of the fall

390 The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man.264 Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.265"

From: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm

There was no talking Snake, that's a Metaphor for Satan. There was however an Adam and Eve, and there is an Original Sin, which means the Privation of Sanctifying Grace, as St. Thomas teaches, which is washed away in Holy Baptism.

Nope. There is absolutely no evidence of a preternatural state of perfection or any primeval event.
The theological claim is that all of nature "fell". There is not a shred of evidence that there ever was ANY division in nature anywhere or that a "fall" happened.
There was no Adam and Eve. You're just parroting ancient ignorant nonsense.

There are no "Pharisees" any longer.
Take your meds.

"After the destruction of the Second Temple, these sectarian divisions ended. The Rabbis avoided the term "Pharisee," perhaps because it was a term more often used by non-Pharisees, but also because the term was explicitly sectarian."

[The Grand Nudger]

Technically I'd say he's making it more ignorant than it was. It's a pretty good human coming of age story. It's held up and been culturally familiar and relevant pretty much since it was first cobbled down.

Guy and girl are innocent kids in their fathers garden till some dragon makes them understand their own nakedness and next thing you know, bam, kicked out of daddies house....eves pregnant , adam has a shitty job, and their kids just won't stop bickering. Thus things would be forever and ever amen.

[Anomalocaris]

Technically I'd say he's making it more ignorant than it was.  It's a pretty good human coming of age story.  It's held up and been culturally familiar and relevant pretty much since it was first cobbled down.

Guy and girl are innocent kids in their fathers garden till some dragon makes them understand their own nakedness and next thing you know, bam, kicked out of daddies house....eves pregnant , adam has a shitty job, and their kids just won't stop bickering.  Thus things would be forever and ever amen.

It wasn’t a coming of age story,  it is a good old times story that is calculated to use the fiction of a golden age to boost the prestige and extend the influence of clique of old men who both need the services of the younger generation and want to lord over them by implying they were closer to that golden age and therefore closer to the ultimate old man in the sky.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm not too focused on it's use, intended or incidental. I see a good story for what it is. That they decided to use a good story for such a shitty purpose is just par for the course with abrahamism, as far as I'm concerned. The folks who came up with it could have been actual saints and wanted nothing but good to come of it and the abrahamists would have said "fuck that, we're not doing that, we're doing this instead".

I think that the circumstances and interactions that shape/constrain religious movements privilege bad actors in general. That theistic religions last for as long as they do in direct proportion to how grimey they're willing or eager to get. That they don't swirl the drain so much as fling themselves headfirst into the sewer knowing full well that the minute they stop some other bastard will crop up who will do it, and take their flock with them as they do it.

[Anomalocaris]

I'm not too focused on it's use, intended or incidental.  I see a good story for what it is.  That they decided to use a good story for such a shitty purpose is just par for the course with abrahamism, as far as I'm concerned.  The folks who came up with it could have been actual saints and wanted nothing but good to come of it and the abrahamists would have said "fuck that, we're not doing that, we're doing this instead".

I think the subtext of the story also makes it far different from a coming of age story.

A coming of age story centers on the growth from childhood to adulthood, with the adulthood being implicitly the natural next stage and irrespective of whether the individual protagonist of the story thrived by reaching it, it is regarded as a uplift in broader sense over what came before.   Coming of age is ultimately an affirmation of humanity.  

The Abrahamic story is precisely the opposite.  It is a story of degradation, with the state of infantilism at the beginning being the ideal and the state of responsibility a state of enforced degradation .   The only uplift is to return to the state of infantilism and that is only made possibly by complete subservient to a divine old man who like the Bronze Age Middle East despot demand to be regarded as  completely removed from any state achievable by mere mortals.   The abrahamic story is fundamentally an affirmation of misanthropy.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think misanthropy is the way they went with it, sure. Without getting too weedy about how coming of age stories can absolutely be tragedies and genre mixing is a hallmark of good storytelling...I think that the narrative as it is does refer to their growth - even if it casts that growth as a net (or even pure) negative.

It wasn't really written or even included in a truly ancient past, but in a relatively more contemporary society that valued small livestock operations in a dispersed populace over the drudgery of agrarian field work in denser settlements with which it was very familiar, due to constant conflict between the two. The good old times or golden age bits would be the kings, not adam and eve - but that's just my take. That's what theocrats want us to return to, it's not like they're out they're telling us to ditch our underwear and amble around a garden fucking like carefree animals.

(props to islam for flirting with the idea, but you have to die first... in good standing with the djinn...and it's only redeemable if you possess a penis....so that's a bummer)

[Thumpalumpacus]

Your incomprehension is painfully obvious.

Indeed Humans are Apes Ramapithecus  is an Ape thus we are related. Thus nothing was abandoned.

He's clearly ignorant of the concept of parent and daughter species -- and the fact that one parent species can give rise to more than one daughter species.

[HappySkeptic]

I think the subtext of the story also makes it far different from a coming of age story.

A coming of age story centers on the growth from childhood to adulthood, with the adulthood being implicitly the natural next stage and irrespective of whether the individual protagonist of the story thrived by reaching it, it is regarded as a uplift in broader sense over what came before.   Coming of age is ultimately an affirmation of humanity.  

The Abrahamic story is precisely the opposite.  It is a story of degradation, with the state of infantilism at the beginning being the idea and the state of responsibility a state of enforced degradation .   The only uplift is to return to the state of infantilism and that is only made possibly by complete subservient to a divine old man who like the Bronze Age Middle East despot demand to be regarded as  completely removed from any state achievable by mere mortals.   The abrahamic story is fundamentally an affirmation of misanthropy.

I think you're right.  That is why even some theologians think that the Fall was a necessary good thing.

Genesis said that knowing both good and evil put Man on par with the gods, and made us a threat.  This was either part of God's plan, or he just wasn't very good at his job (perhaps he was an idiot among the other gods).

[no one]

I hope you all can sympathize, when a christiboi discriminates it is out love and understanding, when this courageous, selfless act is received with anything other than love or understanding, that is discrimination.