2024 US Presidential Election

[TheWhiteMarten]

How many people came, by foot, across the border between 2021-2023?

Most illegal migrants don't even come by foot or sneak across the border.

Per the Department of Homeland Security, between 2021 and 2023 following the Biden/Harris/Myorkas removal of Trump era regulations, illegal crossing on foot by the border hit record numbers - spiking up to nearly 2 million more immigrants a year than under Trump.

At it's peak over 320,000 migrants were encountered at the border in a single month; all together the DHS has a rough estimate of about 5.6 million illegal immigrants encountered at the border and an unknown number that were able to cross without any government observation.

These are all publicly available numbers and while my last link to them was deleted in an attempt to erase evidence and control the narrative I *highly* encourage you to fact check them rather than just argue with me.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Can you give some examples of this happening?

Boru

Sure; in a very direct and topical sense, Kamala Harris' plan to provide African American men with special loans for businesses simply because of their ethnicity.

Affirmative Action hiring.

Nope, that only counts if 1) the Black men getting the loans were no qualified to operate businesses and 2) you can demonstrate that loans on the same terms were unavailable to White men.

I’m given to understand that it’s much more difficult for Black people to get a business loan (or even a mortgage) than it is for White people. So, this isn’t affirmative action, but a case of leveling the playing field.

Boru

[TheWhiteMarten]

Sure; in a very direct and topical sense, Kamala Harris' plan to provide African American men with special loans for businesses simply because of their ethnicity.

Affirmative Action hiring.

Nope, that only counts if 1) the Black men getting the loans were no qualified to operate businesses and 2) you can demonstrate that loans on the same terms were unavailable to White men.

I’m given to understand that it’s much more difficult for Black people to get a business loan (or even a mortgage) than it is for White people. So, this isn’t affirmative action, but a case of leveling the playing field.

Boru

"I am going to give black men loans so that black men can start black men owned and operated businesses."

"Okay, but prove white people can't get this loan."



Reverse racism is still racism; the solution to the problem is not, "More discrimination, just now against more people!"

[The Architect Of Fate]

Per the Department of Homeland Security, between 2021 and 2023 following the Biden/Harris/Myorkas removal of Trump era regulations, illegal crossing on foot by the border hit record numbers - spiking up to nearly 2 million more immigrants a year than under Trump.

At it's peak over 320,000 migrants were encountered at the border in a single month; all together the DHS has a rough estimate of about 5.6 million illegal immigrants encountered at the border and an unknown number that were able to cross without any government observation.

These are all publicly available numbers and while my last link to them was deleted in an attempt to erase evidence and control the narrative I *highly* encourage you to fact check them rather than just argue with me.

So nothing that disagrees with what I said

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Most illegal migrants don't even come by foot or sneak across the border.

Per the Department of Homeland Security, between 2021 and 2023 following the Biden/Harris/Myorkas removal of Trump era regulations, illegal crossing on foot by the border hit record numbers - spiking up to nearly 2 million more immigrants a year than under Trump.

At it's peak over 320,000 migrants were encountered at the border in a single month; all together the DHS has a rough estimate of about 5.6 million illegal immigrants encountered at the border and an unknown number that were able to cross without any government observation.

These are all publicly available numbers and while my last link to them was deleted in an attempt to erase evidence and control the narrative I *highly* encourage you to fact check them rather than just argue with me.

‘Encountered at the border’ isn’t the same ‘entered the US’. For all you know, the latter number could be six.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

"I am going to give black men loans so that black men can start black men owned and operated businesses."

"Okay, but prove white people can't get this loan."



Reverse racism is still racism; the solution to the problem is not, "More discrimination, just now against more people!"

So you didn't actually refute his point then

[TheWhiteMarten]

Per the Department of Homeland Security, between 2021 and 2023 following the Biden/Harris/Myorkas removal of Trump era regulations, illegal crossing on foot by the border hit record numbers - spiking up to nearly 2 million more immigrants a year than under Trump.

At it's peak over 320,000 migrants were encountered at the border in a single month; all together the DHS has a rough estimate of about 5.6 million illegal immigrants encountered at the border and an unknown number that were able to cross without any government observation.

These are all publicly available numbers and while my last link to them was deleted in an attempt to erase evidence and control the narrative I *highly* encourage you to fact check them rather than just argue with me.

‘Encountered at the border’ isn’t the same ‘entered the US’. For all you know, the latter number could be six.

Boru

My god, I truly did not know you could shift goalposts to another zip code.

[The Grand Nudger]

Poor downtrodden whites. Persecuted everywhere we go.

Nor is "encountered at the border" interchangeable with "illegal". We tell them to cross the border and report to a point of entry. That's exactly how to do it.. legally. Not that legal status matters to trump..as we've covered. Not that nationality matters to trump, as we've covered. They plan to deport american children. Literally impossible to be more legal than born here legal.

[The Architect Of Fate]

My god, I truly did not know you could shift goalposts to another zip code.

If only he had done that....Oh wait he didn't

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Nope, that only counts if 1) the Black men getting the loans were no qualified to operate businesses and 2) you can demonstrate that loans on the same terms were unavailable to White men.

I’m given to understand that it’s much more difficult for Black people to get a business loan (or even a mortgage) than it is for White people. So, this isn’t affirmative action, but a case of leveling the playing field.

Boru

"I am going to give black men loans so that black men can start black men owned and operated businesses."

"Okay, but prove white people can't get this loan."



Reverse racism is still racism; the solution to the problem is not, "More discrimination, just now against more people!"

You (deliberately, I think), miss the point. Such a loan scheme wouldn’t be Affirmative Action unless it can be demonstrated that people of a different ethnicity were harmed by it.

Boru

Edit: I found the loan plan on this. Here’s an excerpt (bold mine):

) Providing 1 million loans that are fully forgivable to Black entrepreneurs and others to start a business.

You can read the entire proposal here:

https://kamalaharris.com/wp-content/uplo...XShwxJ.pdf

Boru