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May 24, 2011 at 10:21 pm (This post was last modified: May 24, 2011 at 10:23 pm by TLIG4EVER.)
I do hate to speak of the horrors of hell but if anyone might someday give more credence to the Fatima messages, here's a description of hell from Fatima.
- By the way, Miracle of the sun on Oct. 13, 1917 was predicted months in advance and confirmed by thousands.
Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in a huge fire, without weight or equilibrium, and amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repulsive likeness to frightful and unknown animals, all black and transparent. This vision lasted but an instant. How can we ever be grateful enough to our kind heavenly Mother, who had already prepared us by promising, in the first Apparition, to take us to heaven. Otherwise, I think we would have died of fear and terror.
We then looked up at Our Lady, who said to us so kindly and so sadly:
“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world”.]
I know, I know...I'm just some crazy nut-case Catholic. Haha, I was right where you are right now about 7 years ago!
If God can give me the grace of Faith, He can give it to anyone.
Take care everyone,
Your crazy Catholic pest....that someday ALL OF YOU WILL BELIEVE was telling the truth.
I Hope & Pray your belief comes through a grace that PRECEDES your last breath.
TLIG4EVER http://www.tlig.org/en/messages/1/
(May 24, 2011 at 9:38 pm)TLIG4EVER Wrote: For this reason, it wouldn't matter if I presented the most irrefutable evidence of God's existence....nothing I present could reach you in your most precious place, your heart. Only God can reach you where He longs to dwell. The only thing we Christians can do is work at doing the best we can to share God's good news, work at living lives that reflect God's teachings and pray. In the end it is always God who decides if your heart will one day become His home. Our Christian hope is that God may one day use us as little instruments to your return....your return home.
My heart pumps blood, it does no thinking.
Are you even going to try to present an ontologically positive argument for the existence of your idea of God?
Quote:I sadly know that most people that spend time at this site don't believe in either option and that's so sad.
(May 24, 2011 at 10:21 pm)TLIG4EVER Wrote: I do hate to speak of the horrors of hell but if anyone might someday give more credence to the Fatima messages, here's a description of hell from Fatima.
- By the way, Miracle of the sun on Oct. 13, 1917 was predicted months in advance and confirmed by thousands.
Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in a huge fire, without weight or equilibrium, and amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repulsive likeness to frightful and unknown animals, all black and transparent. This vision lasted but an instant. How can we ever be grateful enough to our kind heavenly Mother, who had already prepared us by promising, in the first Apparition, to take us to heaven. Otherwise, I think we would have died of fear and terror.
We then looked up at Our Lady, who said to us so kindly and so sadly:
“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world”.]
I know, I know...I'm just some crazy nut-case Catholic. Haha, I was right where you are right now about 7 years ago!
If God can give me the grace of Faith, He can give it to anyone.
Take care everyone,
Your crazy Catholic pest....that someday ALL OF YOU WILL BELIEVE was telling the truth.
I Hope & Pray your belief comes through a grace that PRECEDES your last breath.
TLIG4EVER http://www.tlig.org/en/messages/1/
Jaxs Interpretation Wrote:Blah Blah Blah repent or burn in hell blah blah blah.
Quote:"I think it's perfectly possible to explain how the universe came about without bringing God into it, but I don't know everything, and there may well be a God somewhere, hiding away. Actually, if he is keeping out of sight, it's because he's ashamed of his followers and all the cruelty and ignorance they're responsible for promoting in his name. If I were him, I'd want nothing to do with them."
— Philip Pullman
Quote:I do hate to speak of the horrors of hell but if anyone might someday give more credence to the Fatima messages,
Sorry to burst your bubble mate but an all knowing god + hell = faulty logic, as I have highlighted before.
The only likely conclusions if such a god exists are: 1. He's a right evil bastard, 2. He is a terrible designer, or 3. He doesn't exist.
I place my vote on the third. There are so many holes in religion that it really is painfully obvious that it was all made up by man. An all knowing god couldn't fuck up this badly, unless it was deliberate, then that itself opens up more questions and faults.
Quote:irrefutable evidence of God's existence
You don't have such evidence. That I'm sure of. You can't support the existence of something for which does not exist.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
I do hate to speak of the horrors of hell but if anyone might someday give more credence to the Fatima messages, here's a description of hell from Fatima.
- By the way, Miracle of the sun on Oct. 13, 1917 was predicted months in advance and confirmed by thousands.
Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in a huge fire, without weight or equilibrium, and amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repulsive likeness to frightful and unknown animals, all black and transparent. This vision lasted but an instant. How can we ever be grateful enough to our kind heavenly Mother, who had already prepared us by promising, in the first Apparition, to take us to heaven. Otherwise, I think we would have died of fear and terror.
We then looked up at Our Lady, who said to us so kindly and so sadly:
“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world”.]
I know, I know...I'm just some crazy nut-case Catholic. Haha, I was right where you are right now about 7 years ago!
If God can give me the grace of Faith, He can give it to anyone.
Take care everyone,
Your crazy Catholic pest....that someday ALL OF YOU WILL BELIEVE was telling the truth.
I Hope & Pray your belief comes through a grace that PRECEDES your last breath.
TLIG4EVER http://www.tlig.org/en/messages/1/
If I gave you a vivid description of Eternia would you believe that He-Man was real? Just because you can use words to paint a picture of hell doesn't make it real. I believe you think you're doing the 'righteous' thing here but you're coming off as pompous and arrogant. It's like you're standing on a soapbox screaming, "Submit to my interpretation of God or burn in hell!" Save your energy for something truly useful.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
(May 24, 2011 at 9:38 pm)TLIG4EVER Wrote: I sadly know that most people that spend time at this site don't believe in either option and that's so sad.
What a waste of a life.
I'm praying for you my dear brothers and sisters. Praying that you come back home....
And no one reported 6 preachy troll posts?[mod hat on]
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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