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Does your atheism come as a package?
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 9:47 am
(September 20, 2023 at 9:24 am)Ahriman Wrote: Why would you not believe in free will? We very obviously have free will.

Materialism is deterministic and so doesn't allow for freewill. There's also interesting philosophical arguments against LFW.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 9:50 am
(September 20, 2023 at 9:47 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:
(September 20, 2023 at 9:24 am)Ahriman Wrote: Why would you not believe in free will? We very obviously have free will.

Materialism is deterministic and so doesn't allow for freewill.  There's also interesting philosophical arguments against LFW.

But you chose to post that reply.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 9:50 am
(September 20, 2023 at 9:47 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:
(September 20, 2023 at 9:24 am)Ahriman Wrote: Why would you not believe in free will? We very obviously have free will.

Materialism is deterministic and so doesn't allow for freewill.  There's also interesting philosophical arguments against LFW.

I don't think materialism necessarily requires determinism. But the question intersects with unsolved questions about causality, so is probably a topic for another time.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 9:55 am
(September 20, 2023 at 4:59 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: My lack of being convinced God exists doesn't stand alone.  It comes packaged with various inter-related opinions.

My atheism comes as a bundle with:
Agnosticism
Skepticism
Anti-religious sentiment
Nihilism
Materialism/Physicalism
Evolution
A high view of science (scientism?)
Left/ Liberal/ Progressive Politics
Not believing in moral realism
Not believing in freewill
Etc.

Does your atheism tie into other things, or does it stand alone?

I don't over think it.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 10:14 am
(September 20, 2023 at 9:50 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 20, 2023 at 9:47 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Materialism is deterministic and so doesn't allow for freewill.  There's also interesting philosophical arguments against LFW.

But you chose to post that reply.

No, I only experienced the illusion of choice. I was always going to post that.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 10:32 am (This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 10:32 am by Ahriman.)
(September 20, 2023 at 10:14 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:
(September 20, 2023 at 9:50 am)Ahriman Wrote: But you chose to post that reply.

No, I only experienced the illusion of choice.  I was always going to post that.

Lol whatever dude. I don't see how anyone could possibly believe something like that.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 10:49 am (This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 11:07 am by FrustratedFool.)
Most neuroscientists and many philosophers of mind seem to.
https://youtu.be/TI5FMj5D9zU?si=FSDzY09DN_IanvEn

I've never met anyone educated in science who believes in freewill.

There are, of course, plenty of people who do believe in freewill. But not believing in freewill is not an uncommon position.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 10:57 am
(September 20, 2023 at 10:49 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Most neuroscientists and many philosophers of mind seem to.
https://youtu.be/TI5FMj5D9zU?si=FSDzY09DN_IanvEn

I've never met anyone educated in science who believes in freewill.

Well, that settles that.

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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 11:58 am
(September 20, 2023 at 10:14 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:
(September 20, 2023 at 9:50 am)Ahriman Wrote: But you chose to post that reply.

No, I only experienced the illusion of choice.  I was always going to post that.

Bingo lolly. There’s no way to determine between actual free will and the illusion of free will.

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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:09 pm
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