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(June 13, 2011 at 11:05 am)frankiej Wrote: This is how I see creationists; either they do not want to see the truth or they simply do not understand simple ideas.
That's funny, that's how I see Evolutionists.
Hhmmmmmmm ... you CAN see where the flaw is in that logic right?
#1 Evolutionists can't see the truth? What truth? The unprovable "truth" of the biblical creation???
#2 Evolutionists don't understand simple ideas? You mean like a talking snake and tree with magical fruit??
Please tell me you were just making a joke and I'll drop it.
#2 Evolutionists don't understand simple ideas? You mean like a talking snake and tree with magical fruit?? The trinity??
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
Einstein
When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn't understand the assignment. I told them they didn't understand life.
June 15, 2011 at 1:52 pm (This post was last modified: June 15, 2011 at 1:58 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(June 14, 2011 at 9:50 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:
(June 14, 2011 at 8:32 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Where do the creators of the Creation Museum state they do not believe Natural Selection occurs? Natural Selection in no way proves Common Descent.
Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, et al., have flatly stated that we don't evolve, we were created exactly like this. Stupidest people on the planet.
Kent Hovind is not affiliated with the Creation Museum. Ken Ham accepts that Natural Selection happens, he denies Common Descent. So I guess I will ask again, where do the founders of the Creation Museum (AIG) state they reject Natural Selection like it was asserted they did?
(June 15, 2011 at 12:34 am)Cinjin Wrote:
(June 14, 2011 at 8:32 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:
(June 13, 2011 at 11:05 am)frankiej Wrote: This is how I see creationists; either they do not want to see the truth or they simply do not understand simple ideas.
That's funny, that's how I see Evolutionists.
Hhmmmmmmm ... you CAN see where the flaw is in that logic right?
#1 Evolutionists can't see the truth? What truth? The unprovable "truth" of the biblical creation???
#2 Evolutionists don't understand simple ideas? You mean like a talking snake and tree with magical fruit??
Please tell me you were just making a joke and I'll drop it.
1. Yes they willfully suppress the truth (Romans 1) and let their anti-biblical presuppositions drive the interpretation of the evidence. They use the proof that they assumed to argue against creation, illogical.
2. They do not get such simple ideas as classical logic, every argument I have ever heard for Common Descent commits the fallacy of affirming the consequent. So I guess you can admit you were mistaken and I will drop it
If the operators of the creatoon museum accept natural selection but believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, the process must be akin to speed dating.
(June 15, 2011 at 2:23 pm)Epimethean Wrote: If the operators of the creatoon museum accept natural selection but believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, the process must be akin to speed dating.
Speed dating Actually, speciation can occur very rapidly. Creation Scientists do not believe all life came from a single ancestor (Common Descent), so they do not require nearly as much time. In fact, even the 3.5 billion years hypothesized by evolutionists is not nearly enough time to derive all life on earth from a single ancestor via Natural Selection.
(June 14, 2011 at 8:32 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Where do the creators of the Creation Museum state they do not believe Natural Selection occurs? Natural Selection in no way proves Common Descent.
Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, et al., have flatly stated that we don't evolve, we were created exactly like this. Stupidest people on the planet.
Kent Hovind is not affiliated with the Creation Museum. Ken Ham accepts that Natural Selection happens, he denies Common Descent. So I guess I will ask again, where do the founders of the Creation Museum (AIG) state they reject Natural Selection like it was asserted they did?
(June 15, 2011 at 12:34 am)Cinjin Wrote:
(June 14, 2011 at 8:32 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:
(June 13, 2011 at 11:05 am)frankiej Wrote: This is how I see creationists; either they do not want to see the truth or they simply do not understand simple ideas.
That's funny, that's how I see Evolutionists.
Hhmmmmmmm ... you CAN see where the flaw is in that logic right?
#1 Evolutionists can't see the truth? What truth? The unprovable "truth" of the biblical creation???
#2 Evolutionists don't understand simple ideas? You mean like a talking snake and tree with magical fruit??
Please tell me you were just making a joke and I'll drop it.
1. Yes they willfully suppress the truth (Romans 1) and let their anti-biblical presuppositions drive the interpretation of the evidence. They use the proof that they assumed to argue against creation, illogical.
2. They do not get such simple ideas as classical logic, every argument I have ever heard for Common Descent commits the fallacy of affirming the consequent. So I guess you can admit you were mistaken and I will drop it
lol - I assumed neither of us would drop it even when I wrote that.
To your #1 response: Again I'm curious what your definition of 'the truth' is? And what evidence you have of evolutionists suppressing it?
Even if you find the 'proof' to be unsatisfactory, it is still more substantial than no proof. As has been stated many times before, the Bible cannot be used as legitimate 'proof' of creation.
To your #2 response: Are we going to get into another debate about "what is Logic"?
Only a fucking moron like Ham would make a comment like this:
Quote:A new exhibit at the Answers in Genesis Creation Museum argues that natural selection — Darwin's explanation for how species develop new traits over time — can coexist with the creationist assertion that all living things were created by God just a few thousand years ago.
"We wanted to show people that creationists believe in natural selection," said Ken Ham, founder of the Christian ministry Answers in Genesis and frequent Darwin critic.
And where is the evidence for "all living things" having been created by their fuckwit god a few thousand years ago? Um, they have none. They insist that Evolution is wrong but have nothing but fairy tales to fall back on.
"Speed dating Actually, speciation can occur very rapidly. Creation Scientists do not believe all life came from a single ancestor (Common Descent), so they do not require nearly as much time. In fact, even the 3.5 billion years hypothesized by evolutionists is not nearly enough time to derive all life on earth from a single ancestor via Natural Selection."
June 15, 2011 at 2:59 pm (This post was last modified: June 15, 2011 at 3:03 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(June 15, 2011 at 2:41 pm)Cinjin Wrote:
lol - I assumed neither of us would drop it even when I wrote that.
To your #1 response: Again I'm curious what your definition of 'the truth' is? And what evidence you have of evolutionists suppressing it?
Even if you find the 'proof' to be unsatisfactory, it is still more substantial than no proof. As has been stated many times before, the Bible cannot be used as legitimate 'proof' of creation.
To your #2 response: Are we going to get into another debate about "what is Logic"?
Yes we agree, we are both a bit stubborn
1. Scripture says that creation itself attests to God's existence and work, unbelievers suppress this truth. So that would be the truth I am referring to.
2. Well that's just it though Cinjin, because the "proof" that evolutionists use to support their theory is structurally invalid, it can just as easily and often is used to support Creation because it fits both models. You really don't think that the Creation guys have a model that explains the fossil record? They do and it works just as well as the evolutionary model. Just out of curiosity, why can't the Bible be used as proof? If it really is inerrant as I believe it is, what better proof could you ask for?
(June 15, 2011 at 2:56 pm)Epimethean Wrote: "Speed dating Actually, speciation can occur very rapidly. Creation Scientists do not believe all life came from a single ancestor (Common Descent), so they do not require nearly as much time. In fact, even the 3.5 billion years hypothesized by evolutionists is not nearly enough time to derive all life on earth from a single ancestor via Natural Selection."
It ain't all mutation, my friend.
Explain what you mean please...
(June 15, 2011 at 2:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Only a fucking moron like Ham would make a comment like this:
Quote:A new exhibit at the Answers in Genesis Creation Museum argues that natural selection — Darwin's explanation for how species develop new traits over time — can coexist with the creationist assertion that all living things were created by God just a few thousand years ago.
"We wanted to show people that creationists believe in natural selection," said Ken Ham, founder of the Christian ministry Answers in Genesis and frequent Darwin critic.
And where is the evidence for "all living things" having been created by their fuckwit god a few thousand years ago? Um, they have none. They insist that Evolution is wrong but have nothing but fairy tales to fall back on.
So you have read all 7,000+ articles on AIG's website in order to come to the conclusion that they have "no evidence"? Seems like a pretty bold claim to me.
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
Einstein
When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down happy. They told me I didn't understand the assignment. I told them they didn't understand life.
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