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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:39 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 5:36 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: No, ethics, basic reliability of the senses, basic reliability of memory, laws of logic, uniformity in nature, the future resembling the past. Your worldview cannot give sufficient justification for these assumptions, and yet they are completely necessary in order to obtain any knowledge and conduct science. The Christian worldview therefore becomes the only correct worldview because of the impossibility of the contrary.
Every single item you listed is either WTF are you talking about or so abstract that you cannot possibly consider it an argument for god. Furthermore, you don't know what anyone here's worldview is. Atheism is not a worldview.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:40 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 5:36 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (June 30, 2011 at 5:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So, precondition of knowledge, ergo god. that about it?
No, ethics, basic reliability of the senses, basic reliability of memory, laws of logic, uniformity in nature, the future resembling the past. Your worldview cannot give sufficient justification for these assumptions, and yet they are completely necessary in order to obtain any knowledge and conduct science. The Christian worldview therefore becomes the only correct worldview because of the impossibility of the contrary.
most of these are cognitive abilities and human understanding, You are adding the Christian God into it with no basis. Its not an actual argument. Just a random connection that doesn't make sense in the slightest. YOu are using human understanding and applying it to the universe it doesn't work.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Doesn't matter, Shell: If it ain't christian, you ain't cooking with sterno.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:41 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 5:33 pm)Epimethean Wrote:
Yet when I try to clarify the argument and elaborate I get criticized for using too many words. So it really is damned if I do and damned if I don't huh?
Well Jews worship the same God as Christians, they just missed the messiah. I can get into the other religions later, but let's first stick with defeating the atheistic world first shall we?
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:41 pm
(This post was last modified: June 30, 2011 at 5:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Firstly, you never even asked me my "worldview" whatever the hell you're even using that word to mean, I honestly have no idea with you. Secondly, when you have two positions, one being incorrect does not make the other correct by default. They can both be wrong.
You'll have to do more than poke holes in the "Atheist Worldview" (i feel dirty for having even typed that) to prove the "Christian Worldview"
I'll rephrase my earlier summary of your argument.
stuff is here, ergo god. that about it?
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:43 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 5:41 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (June 30, 2011 at 5:33 pm)Epimethean Wrote:
Yet when I try to clarify the argument and elaborate I get criticized for using too many words. So it really is damned if I do and damned if I don't huh?
Well Jews worship the same God as Christians, they just missed the messiah. I can get into the other religions later, but let's first stick with defeating the atheistic world first shall we?
Their is no such thing as an Atheistic world its a made up thing. Atheism is a human understanding.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:43 pm
"defeating the atheistic world?" That bit of silliness died out when T-Rex finished painting the Cistern Chapel.
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:43 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 5:33 pm)Shell B Wrote: What's evidence? 
Oh yeah, they don't know about that do they. Keep forgetting they're from the iron age. No scientific method back then. Humpf.
So...how do we educate iron age minded nuts about modern science?
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Leech them!
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RE: Silly Creationist
June 30, 2011 at 5:45 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 5:39 pm)Shell B Wrote:
Too abstract? I don't believe so at all. No atheism is not itself a worldview completely, but there are atheistic worldviews such as naturalism, and none of them can account for these things. I guess we can just take one and go from there. Using any atheistic worldview you want, please give an account for the universal laws of logic.
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