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**Minimalist** · June 14, 2011 at 2:13 pm

Darth · June 14, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Zenith · (This post was last modified: June 16, 2011 at 5:21 pm by Zenith.)

Justtristo · (This post was last modified: June 16, 2011 at 9:11 pm by Justtristo.)

The trinity was definitely not what the first followers of Jesus believed in. They were Jews who saw Jesus as the Messiah and adopted as a "son of god", rather being the second member of the godhead. Likewise the Holy Spirit was seen as just a limb of God.

By the way I have heard that the first 18 verses of the gospel of John (describing Jesus as the word of god) might have been added by scribes after the Gospel was written.

**Minimalist** · (This post was last modified: June 16, 2011 at 10:05 pm by Minimalist.)

Nick_A · June 17, 2011 at 1:46 am

The sad thing for me about the blind rejection of the Trinity is that without appreciating how God is simultaneously one and three, there is no way to begin to understand the process of involution, unity into diversity, or the creation of the universe.

**Minimalist** · June 17, 2011 at 2:14 am

If it's bullshit, it is not worth knowing or wasting time considering.

Your task, and others of your ilk, is to show that it is real instead of merely asserting that you believe it.

Belief may count for something where you come from but around here it isn't worth shit.

Nick_A · June 17, 2011 at 2:24 am

(June 17, 2011 at 2:14 am)Minimalist Wrote: If it's bullshit, it is not worth knowing or wasting time considering.

Your task, and others of your ilk, is to show that it is real instead of merely asserting that you believe it.

Belief may count for something where you come from but around here it isn't worth shit.

It isn't a matter of belief but of being open minded. For example understanding the basics of the Trinity is what allows a person to comprehend the skeleton of the triune universe. We are used to examining the universe from a dualistic perspective normal for science. We are used to accepting the Law of the Excluded Middle (duality) as all there is to it. Yet now some are becoming aware of the Law of the Included Middle" (three forces) which opens a person to a new perspective.

**Minimalist** · June 18, 2011 at 3:25 am

Quote:It isn't a matter of belief but of being open minded.

I cannot disagree more. Accepting lunacy because it is written in an old book....and actually, it isn't written in the old book it was hashed out centuries later...and then calling yourself "open-minded" is little more than chutzpah.

Be careful you are not so open minded that your brain falls out.

Rayaan · June 18, 2011 at 4:09 am

(June 18, 2011 at 3:25 am)Minimalist Wrote: Be careful you are not so open minded that your brain falls out.

On the other hand, if you're too close-minded, then your brain could suffocate and die from not getting enough oxygen. Tongue

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