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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 6, 2014 at 4:24 pm
(December 6, 2014 at 1:53 pm)IATIA Wrote: I cannot accept a 'something from nothing' scenario in any way shape or form. Under this philosophy, I must accept the universe (and beyond) is alive.
The real question for me is, what are the possibilities that the universe is aware? Not in a controlling god sort of way of course, but rather a quantum level entanglement of awareness.
Wouldn't an aware universe or god still be something from nothing? Saying that some things are fine for always having been there because its in their nature is really lame.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 6, 2014 at 8:24 pm
(December 6, 2014 at 4:24 pm)whateverist Wrote: Wouldn't an aware universe or god still be something from nothing? Saying that some things are fine for always having been there because its in their nature is really lame. From where did our awareness arise? Something from nothing?
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 6, 2014 at 10:03 pm
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(December 6, 2014 at 8:24 pm)IATIA Wrote: (December 6, 2014 at 4:24 pm)whateverist Wrote: Wouldn't an aware universe or god still be something from nothing? Saying that some things are fine for always having been there because its in their nature is really lame. From where did our awareness arise? Something from nothing?
It came from the same place as our elbows and collar bones. My organism took many meters of DNA and assembled me to have elbows, collar bones, awareness and much more. Eon after eon the mechanisms of life complexified over the generations. Why? No idea. May as well ask why rust or ice forms. No one knows if it could have been otherwise. I don't. You don't. But we can all speculate.
If you feel there is some intention involved, more power to you. But you'll never convince me of it. Not based on nothing more than your hunch. (I prefer my own.)
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 6, 2014 at 10:11 pm
Believing in a god only means you believe in a particular belief system, its second-hand knowledge, forget about all belief systems and think for yourself, and not being persuaded by others.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 6, 2014 at 10:16 pm
(December 6, 2014 at 10:03 pm)whateverist Wrote: It came from the same place as our elbows and collar bones. My organism took many meters of DNA and assembled me to have elbows, collar bones, awareness and much more. Eon after eon the mechanisms of life complexified over the generations. Why? No idea. May as well ask why rust or ice forms. No one knows if it could have been otherwise. I don't. You don't. But we can all speculate. And what was the origin of your elbows and collar bones? No matter what you say, what was the origin of that, ad infinitum.
Quote:If you feel there is some intention involved, more power to you. But you'll never convince me of it. Not based on nothing more than your hunch. (I prefer my own.)
I did not suggest that there was intention. What I said was "I cannot accept a 'something from nothing' scenario in any way shape or form. Under this philosophy, I must accept the universe (and beyond) is alive."
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 6, 2014 at 10:57 pm
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(December 6, 2014 at 10:16 pm)IATIA Wrote: Quote:If you feel there is some intention involved, more power to you. But you'll never convince me of it. Not based on nothing more than your hunch. (I prefer my own.)
I did not suggest that there was intention. What I said was "I cannot accept a 'something from nothing' scenario in any way shape or form. Under this philosophy, I must accept the universe (and beyond) is alive."
But how does the universe being alive avoid your something from nothing issue. Where did this alive universe come from?
(December 6, 2014 at 10:16 pm)IATIA Wrote: (December 6, 2014 at 10:03 pm)whateverist Wrote: It came from the same place as our elbows and collar bones. My organism took many meters of DNA and assembled me to have elbows, collar bones, awareness and much more. Eon after eon the mechanisms of life complexified over the generations. Why? No idea. May as well ask why rust or ice forms. No one knows if it could have been otherwise. I don't. You don't. But we can all speculate.
And what was the origin of your elbows and collar bones? No matter what you say, what was the origin of that, ad infinitum.
Your hunch doesn't get you around your something from nothing worry. So what does it matter if I can't tell you where everything came from all the way back to forever? I'm not the one who says we should have access to that information. Nor do l look to leverage the ignorance we both suffer from into an unearned conclusion. You should try to understand this. You really have nothing to stand on here.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 6, 2014 at 11:04 pm
(December 6, 2014 at 10:11 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Believing in a god only means you believe in a particular belief system, its second-hand knowledge, forget about all belief systems and think for yourself, and not being persuaded by others.
Not really. Deism is a belief in god minus any dogma.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 7, 2014 at 2:20 pm
(December 6, 2014 at 10:57 pm)whateverist Wrote: But how does the universe being alive avoid your something from nothing issue. Where did this alive universe come from? The universe had no beginning. It just is. And I do not mean just our little corner with the billions of galaxies, I am including everything, even what we do not and cannot ever know.
It just is.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 13, 2014 at 5:58 pm
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(December 7, 2014 at 2:20 pm)IATIA Wrote: (December 6, 2014 at 10:57 pm)whateverist Wrote: But how does the universe being alive avoid your something from nothing issue. Where did this alive universe come from? The universe had no beginning. It just is. And I do not mean just our little corner with the billions of galaxies, I am including everything, even what we do not and cannot ever know.
It just is.
but.. but how do we know the universe is so old though i mean 13 billion years old...
either god is a lair and took someone elses work or there is another god who doesn't care about anyone.
i put my money on there isn't a logical example of a god.
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RE: Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?
December 13, 2014 at 6:19 pm
What is greater than God,
Worse than the devil,
The poor have it,
The rich need it,
And if you eat it you die?
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