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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:21 am
Do you have anything to say regarding my question in post #19?
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:21 am
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2011 at 10:26 am by Kayenneh.)
All I can say StatCrux, is that it is never wise to take advice from mentally ill people, and the "friend" you are describing would be a sociopath. So, no matter the religion or life philosophy, crazy is always crazy. There will always be those who relish in taking advantage over others, but let's hope that most people find that their lives are more satisfying if they are altruistic.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:21 am
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2011 at 10:22 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 10, 2011 at 10:03 am)Rhythm Wrote: I have to ask you this Crux, have you ever been face to face with someone who believes that he has a cosmic mandate to enforce his creators whims and the weapons and numbers to do so? I don't think you'd find the notion of "divine authority" as pleasant as you do now. What argument against his beliefs could you possibly come up with that would not also apply to your own?
There it is again, in case you missed it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:22 am
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2011 at 10:23 am by frankiej.)
(September 10, 2011 at 10:16 am)StatCrux Wrote: there can be no good or evil in an atheistic wordview, they are specifically religious concepts.
Right, I am not going to argue any more with someone who says this... I honestly don't understand how you got through life so far with the "thinking" you have displayed.
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:23 am
(September 10, 2011 at 10:19 am)Rhythm Wrote: Oh, we get the question, you simply refuse to admit that it's been answered over and over again.
Please help me out here, post the original question with relevant answer to the question, I just don't see it?
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:24 am
That's your problem.
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:25 am
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2011 at 10:25 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I refuse to engage in a one way dialogue where you repeat your assertions and ignore the questions asked of you.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:30 am
This is basically a question about where morality comes from. I believe it comes from an altruistic and emphatic quality derived from mammalian evolution. You think it comes from the mind of the creator of the universe and his decision is final.
Nothing more to be said really...
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:34 am
This reminds me of the CARM debate 2008 when Edwin Kagin is demolished when faced with the question of Logic, he continuously goes off on tangents about anything but the question put before him, embarassing for Mr Kagin, but a common tactic employed by atheists i'm beginning to see...
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RE: Evil Atheists
September 10, 2011 at 10:35 am
(September 10, 2011 at 9:01 am)StatCrux Wrote: If I were to meet an atheist who presents as a happy, confident, solvent individual, beautiful family, good friends etc (you get the picture) who went on to tell me the secret of his success in life was to lie, cheat, steal and stab others in the back at every opportunity, take no prisoners and give no quarter, be ruthless with strangers and only protect family and loved ones. How could I tell him that his behavior was "wrong" or "evil" using an atheistic worldview? "The tears of strangers are only water" would be an apt motto for this individual.
The best way to handle someone like this is to explain to him that if everyone acted this way, then it would become impossible for anyone to protect their family and loved ones, including himself. The best way to provide a better world for yourself and your loved ones is to treat others as though they are also your family, just maybe to a slightly lesser extent. If everyone on the planet worked together to provide a better world for everyone, then we'd all be better off. If everyone is greedy and evil, then the world obviously becomes a greedy, evil, violent place, which no one would enjoy. If everyone is good to each other and helps each other out, then the world is a peaceful, fun, progressive place to live.
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