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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 11:27 am
(September 14, 2011 at 8:37 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: At the same time, though, I think these girls' lives would be even more hell, for them, if they didn't believe in that cock and bull story. They would kill themselves. Yeah because that conclusion leads on from the premise right?
Quote:Religion apparently makes it possible for them to accept their situation as is.
So it's impossible to accept their situation without religion? Bullshit.
Quote:Separation is not an option for them. It would kill both.
More than likely but that's besides the point.
Quote:So this situation is one of the very, very few where I can see religion having an acceptable effect, however misguided it is.
The effect may be acceptable but it certainly isn't necessary for this effect to come out of blind faith in a cock and bull story about how kind and loving some fucked up creator is.
The misguidedness is exactly what infuriates me. It shows the insidious nature of religion itself in that it manifests itself in people who 'apparently' have no where else to turn. It's sick.
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 12:23 pm
(September 14, 2011 at 11:27 am)Napoleon Wrote: (September 14, 2011 at 8:37 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Religion apparently makes it possible for them to accept their situation as is. So it's impossible to accept their situation without religion? Bullshit.
You have an unpleasant demeanour and not the foggiest idea what you're talking about.
Tip: find out what the word 'empathy' means.
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Find out yourself  Certainly if it is impossible for them to accept their situation without religion... it should be impossible for me to accept mine without religion. But this is not the case, and neither must it be so for them.
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 1:20 pm
(September 14, 2011 at 12:57 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Find out yourself Certainly if it is impossible for them to accept their situation without religion... it should be impossible for me to accept mine without religion. But this is not the case, and neither must it be so for them.
Apples and pears, asshole.
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 1:27 pm
(September 14, 2011 at 1:20 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Apples and pears, asshole.
Is it really? How about you try living with the body of a human female for a few days.
It's a veritable barrel of laughs.
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 1:32 pm
(September 14, 2011 at 1:20 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Apples and pears, asshole.
What a rude thing to say, is that all you have? It seems you gave up and said "gg".
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 1:38 pm
(September 14, 2011 at 12:23 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: (September 14, 2011 at 11:27 am)Napoleon Wrote: (September 14, 2011 at 8:37 am)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Religion apparently makes it possible for them to accept their situation as is. So it's impossible to accept their situation without religion? Bullshit.
You have an unpleasant demeanour and not the foggiest idea what you're talking about.
Tip: find out what the word 'empathy' means.
I wasn't being unpleasant was I? My bad if that's the vibe you got.
If you are supposedly suggesting you somehow have a better insight into their lives than I btw, well you can fuck off frankly. Because right now YOU ain't exactly the one connected to another person by the head, so before you get on your moral high horse telling me to look up what words mean and blah blah blah, merely understand, I was making a very simple point. One which clearly flew over your cranium.
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm
(September 14, 2011 at 1:27 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: How about you try living with the body of a human female for a few days.
Wrong comparison. Done that for well over 40 years as much as I could. Still haven't had nearly enough. Mark my avatar.
Living conjoined couldn't be a more different situation. One you apparently cannot presume to imagine.
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 2:19 pm
(September 14, 2011 at 2:12 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: (September 14, 2011 at 1:27 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: How about you try living with the body of a human female for a few days.
Wrong comparison. Done that for well over 40 years as much as I could. Still haven't had nearly enough. Mark my avatar.
Ahhh, I pegged you as a human male. Fine then: flip what I said round.
Quote:Living conjoined couldn't be a more different situation. One you apparently cannot presume to imagine.
Oh my imagination works, hon... I imagine it feels like there's always this really aggravating thing connected to you, and it won't go away without a great deal of work (if it is possible at all), and it encompasses your life and your psychology will forever be affected by it.
Funnily... precisely like being transexual. Only you're never lonely: quite the opposite. But the frustration remains the the same to a T 
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RE: Is this wrong?
September 14, 2011 at 2:39 pm
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2011 at 2:41 pm by Sam.)
It seems to me that their personal views on religion have, no matter what we care to say helped them in their lives.
I'm not saying that if they didn't hold religious beliefs they wouldn't have been able to cope but as we can never know that in any meaningful sense, the point is moot.
Napoleon, obviously it's not my place to tell you how to think or anything of that nature. I would say that you being 'sickened' by someone else’s beliefs and attribute what is to them in all likelihood, a sincerely held belief to 'brainwashing' seems a little unfair. You can hardly judge people in such strong terms simply because they don't think like you, or as you would like them too.
I'm not trying to have a go at you or anything of the sort, just making an observation.
Sam
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"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt" William Shakespeare (Measure for Measure: Act 1, Scene 4)
 
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