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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 4, 2011 at 5:07 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2011 at 5:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Excellent, reason and evidence are completely open to interpretation. No conclusion can be drawn from either.  We'd rather set fire to the building than take down that ungainly mantle piece wouldn't we.
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 4, 2011 at 5:09 pm
*red-neck interpretation*
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 4, 2011 at 5:10 pm
That word probably doesn't mean what you think it does.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 4, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Probably
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 4, 2011 at 7:06 pm
(October 4, 2011 at 5:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: A bare assertion to you, an assertion strongly backed up with reason to me.
Was I not clear enough? In the example given there was no substantiation of the claim. Any time a premise is put forth someone is fully justified in requesting that the premise be supported, if it is not, as was the case in the example, the premise is merely an assertion and the argument commits the "Bare Assertion" fallacy resulting in the argument being unsound
Quote:Your endeavour in exploring a subject is to scrutinize it for evidence. Those of us who understand and acknowledge that evidence oblige by explaining it to you.... so it is never a case of their being no evidence, but of there being evidence that isn't understood or accepted by yourself.
Whether or not I am ignorant of the evidence for the premise in DP's example IS NOT THE POINT, in the example given THERE WAS NO ARGUMENT/EVIDENCE PROVIDED thus it was a fallacious argument, the onus is on the person making the claim to provide the evidence and in the example no such evidence was presented. I even offered an example to clarify that this has nothing to do with my position vs your position, that of someone 2000 years ago making an argument with the assertion "Subatomic particles exist" prior to their being sufficient argument/evidence for it.
Quote:If you fail to understand the premise then that is hardly reason to classify it as fallacy. It is what it is: a lack of understanding of the subject.
Whether or not there is evidence for the premise is an entirely different issue, it DOES NOT change the fact that in the given example the premise was asserted without consideration for the evidence.
If you want to make a case for the premise please do feel free, I would be interested to hear it.
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Well I don't take the quoted example as anything more than a dumbed down caricature.
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 4, 2011 at 9:04 pm
(October 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Well I don't take the quoted example as anything more than a dumbed down caricature.
So where is your "smartened up portrait"?
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 4, 2011 at 9:31 pm
(September 28, 2011 at 5:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: "There can be no evidence", or "the evidence presented". Just pick which one you want to run with or I'm going to call bullshit every time you waffle. If you want to go with evidence today, I'm down for that. Let's see it.
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 5, 2011 at 3:54 am
(October 4, 2011 at 9:04 pm)theVOID Wrote: (October 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Well I don't take the quoted example as anything more than a dumbed down caricature. So where is your "smartened up portrait"? DP is referencing his recent conversations with Ryft and Lucent.
Here I think (these are the threads anyway)
Ryft:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-8159-pos...#pid183205
Lucent:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-8220-pos...#pid181689
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RE: OK, what IS the right classification...
October 5, 2011 at 3:59 am
Heh... Everytime someone says DP, I either think they are referring to a director of photography, or double penetration...
It amuses me.
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