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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 28, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Zaki Aminu Wrote:
Quote:Are you saying that you think that Ultimate Reality is a fiction? Why?
If you're going to be disagreeing with the language then you have to be admit you're not interested in communicating. You can't then pretend that you're being logical.
Most people believe in reality, but don't need to add "supreme", to make it more real. Adding a "supreme being" into reality becomes unnecessary.
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 28, 2011 at 5:51 pm
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Hmn, doesn't look like you're going to take me up on that easter egg hunt. What you are doing is called "The Fallacy of Equivocation". The misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense. In this case, you actually created the meanings or sense when you edited a definition of an entry in a dictionary so that it would suit your argument. There's actually a name for that as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
So much for "ultimate reality".
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 29, 2011 at 6:22 am
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2011 at 6:28 am by Zaki Aminu.)
(September 28, 2011 at 5:45 pm)Pendragon Wrote: Zaki Aminu Wrote:
Quote:Are you saying that you think that Ultimate Reality is a fiction? Why?
If you're going to be disagreeing with the language then you have to be admit you're not interested in communicating. You can't then pretend that you're being logical.
Most people believe in reality, but don't need to add "supreme", to make it more real. Adding a "supreme being" into reality becomes unnecessary.
There is a hierachy in Existence. Some things are absolutely dependent for their existence on others. For instance, carbon molecules cannot exist unless carbon atoms exist first. That's my point. Some things necessarily precede others in Existence - and One precedes all others. That is the Supreme or Ultimate Reality - the understanding of Which is the ultimate goal of all science - all true searches for knowledge. Is this not so?
(September 28, 2011 at 5:51 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Hmn, doesn't look like you're going to take me up on that easter egg hunt. What you are doing is called "The Fallacy of Equivocation". The misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense. In this case, you actually created the meanings or sense when you edited a definition of an entry in a dictionary so that it would suit your argument. There's actually a name for that as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
So much for "ultimate reality".
Actually, I'm using only the standard - dictionary - definition of words. In fact, I insist on this as anything else would lead to confusion. I pointed to the definition (of which there was only one) of "God" - as distinct from "god". I left out examples to keep the definition as pristine as possible and my post as concise as possible. I'm really not sure what it is you're complaining about.
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 29, 2011 at 7:43 am
Rhythm will troll you until you ignore him Zaki. It's what he does.
You pretty much nailed it in this post:
Zaki Aminu Wrote:If someone confesses ignorance, I'm happy to leave them in that state. But if they profess knowledge then I'm fully entitled to examine them closely on their assertions, am I not? No need to say any more, unless a point of view is forthcoming.
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 29, 2011 at 9:43 am
Oh, Frodo, you'd like to jump on board with Zaki here? Of course you would.
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 29, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Erm... no thanks my lover 
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 29, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Imagine the hairy children .
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 29, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Instant erection.
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 29, 2011 at 2:54 pm
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(September 28, 2011 at 4:31 pm)Zaki Aminu Wrote: Of-course, if you could offer conclusive proof for His non-existence that would settle the matter. But you can't, can you?
It's impossible to offer conclusive proof for the nonexistence of something. For example, a colony of unicorns could live in a galaxy far, far away and we would have no way of knowing. Duh.
Not that it matters, as you can't offer conclusive proof of his existence can you? The point is, if you claim god exists, you have to prove it. If you don't believe other people's assertions that god exists, you have nothing to prove.
(September 29, 2011 at 6:22 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: There is a hierachy in Existence. Some things are absolutely dependent for their existence on others.
As far as I can tell, that is true of all things. This is a symbiotic -- if you'll pardon me using the term rather loosely -- universe. So, basically, everything is less than real, based on your beliefs. I wish you could name one thing that did not rely on anything else for its very existence. I might just be drawing a blank. However, if you cannot, then this ultimate reality is just a construct of an overactive, but shortsighted imagination. Not that I have a prejudice against such things. Imagine away, Zaki.
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RE: Top Seven Ways Christianity is Debunked By the Sciences
September 29, 2011 at 6:34 pm
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Zaki wrote: Quote:There is a hierachy in Existence. Some things are absolutely dependent for their existence on others. For instance, carbon molecules cannot exist unless carbon atoms exist first. That's my point. Some things necessarily precede others in Existence - and One precedes all others. That is the Supreme or Ultimate Reality - the understanding of Which is the ultimate goal of all science - all true searches for knowledge. Is this not so?
No, I think scientists look for what is real. Just reality would be a good term. Adding words like supreme, or ultimate, might be good if you are selling things, but add nothing to what is already real.
Nobody would want regular strength Voodoo Money powder, if they could have Triple XXX strength Voodoo Money powder. Same worthless thing. Good thing regular reality is just as good as the Ultimate kind of reality.
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