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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 3, 2011 at 12:48 pm
(June 3, 2011 at 1:25 am)tackattack Wrote: Yes I believe some of you are going to go to hell in the final judgement, not because you're not nice, but because you reject God. Some of you are truly open to the possibility, just waiting for a sign. Most aren't and no amount of personal revelation will get past your personal bias.
That's an awfully broad brush you're painting us all with, tack. Do you really think that if God appeared before some atheists in a way to prove that he is the one true god that they'd still disbelieve?
The trouble is that most people who see signs of God are looking for them in the first place. But the rest of us would believe if he did actually show one.
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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 3, 2011 at 4:28 pm
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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 3, 2011 at 4:35 pm
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(June 3, 2011 at 1:25 am)tackattack Wrote: That would also explain while the majority are atheists and not theists then too hunh CC?
Since asked,
Yes I believe some of you are going to go to hell in the final judgement, not because you're not nice, but because you reject God. Some of you are truly open to the possibility, just waiting for a sign. Most aren't and no amount of personal revelation will get past your personal bias. It still doens't make your statement correct though.
My only problem with your statement was the burning forever part. Standard Doctrine I learned and teach is that a soul is destroyed in hell, therefore non existent, and not eternally burning.
Am I one of those mean old God rejecters?
Hell doesn't sound particularly unpleasant if it is not eternal
Quote:No need it's Luke 16. I'll address your real point first then dole out the requested apologetics.
I do believe it is a lake of fire. Whether literal or figurative is immaterial, as if you threw something in a lake of fire, it would eventually be destroyed. That was my point.
The unstoppable force meets the immovable object
Quote:Do you want me to treat it literally or figuratively, both are invalid. Me personally, I think that the grave (hell in your verse) being cast into a lake of fire on judgement day, would necessitate that hell and the lake of fire aren't even the same thing. Perhaps the grave, hell, hades, tartaros and gehenna are states of discard. Perhaps they're a holding pattern until the second ressurection and final judgement. Perhaps prior to Jesus being known, people are in a place atoning for their crimes or resting peacfully and since we just sleep. I don't know the answer personally but this verse is clearly parable as literally it would make no sense at all. here is a link to a site I peieced together a lesson about this very subject on. We all reached the same conclusion.
My conclusion is that the lawgiver can always be toppled, that prisons can always be escaped, and that sleep is always cut short where consciousness remains.
And I shoot corpses. Or stab them. Or crush them. Or otherwise ensure that they are quite, quite dead. Related? Nope 
(June 3, 2011 at 12:48 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: But the rest of us would believe if he did actually show one.
Don't lie. The unknown implies not God, the powerful implies not God, the mystical implies not God, that which claims to God be implies not the truth of the statement no matter what the unknown and powerful mysticism by which it demonstrates its might.
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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Quote:My only problem with your statement was the burning forever part. Standard Doctrine I learned and teach is that a soul is destroyed in hell, therefore non existent, and not eternally burning.
So...you're saying that I'll simply...cease to exist. Heck, I've already concluded that decades ago.
I don't mind going into oblivion.
If going to hell simply means not existing anymore...then I'm completely ok with that. I haven't existed for billions of years, never bothered me though. So I don't think going back into non-existence will bother me.
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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 3, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Exodus 20:2–1 Wrote:Thou shalt not kill
Versus
Exodus 22:18 Wrote:Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
They are in the same book, and 2 chapters away from each other, but there it is, in all of its hypocritical fancy.
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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 3, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Is God good or evil?
Psa. 145:9. The Lord is good to all. (Deut. 32:4; James 1:13)
Is. 45:7 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Lam 3:38; Jer. 18:11; Ezek. 20:25)
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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 3, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Gay christians who refuse to believe in what the bible says about gays and still worship.
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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 4, 2011 at 4:18 am
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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RE: What is your Favorite Religious Contradiction?
June 4, 2011 at 4:23 am
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Tacky Wrote:That’s between you and God, but I would not describe any version of hell (temporary or permanent) as ”not particularly unpleasant”
I would  I've a pretty good imagination... and I know from experience that what hurts isn't that something is there: but that it either can't be removed without causing more damage or takes a great deal of work to remove it. Stab wound? Not a problem for a few seconds. Easily removed? No. Earthquake toppling house over. Not a problem for a while. Easily fixed? No.
So a temporary hell wouldn't be much of a transition from this (and yes, I could amuse myself even in hell). It's experiencing the permanent that would be particularly unpleasant. Oblivion, on the other hand, is peace.
Quote:That’s because you’re an anarchist. In relation to this topic, that would be determined what you define as consciousness
And also because Larry is dead, and all realms save this overrun...
As to the last, I was making fun of my own trouble sleeping and staying asleep
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