A really hard question on Satan and deception.

[Cinjin]

It doesn't bother me, Cinjin..my life doesn't match any of your stereotypes. If you spent the rest of your life trying to dream up what I've experienced you still wouldn't come close.

That's not what I believe, it's because I know human nature. Your whitewashed version of your life doesn't match the ludicrous responses you have given me, nor your testimony about your life in general. Your life is exactly the way I said it was ... because I say so.

I'll say it again, the reason you deny God is because of sin and nothing else. If you ever decide that the truth is better than sin, God will forgive you. Until then, He is going to let you believe the lie and be content with spiritual poverty.

& I'll say it again ... the reason you accept god is because of weakness and nothing else. If you ever decide that the truth is better than blindness, we will all welcome you with open arms. Until then, feel free to believe your own lies and be content in your irrational, illogical mind.

[KichigaiNeko]

Give it up people, and have this 'Creature' Condemned.

He cannot argue his point but only spew forth the same verbal diarrhoea / proselytising again and again.

I'll say it again, the reason you deny God is because of sin and nothing else. If you ever decide that the truth is better than sin, God will forgive you. Until then, He is going to let you believe the lie and be content with spiritual poverty.

I think pink will suit this one

[thesummerqueen]

That sounds an awful lot like preaching, Luce.

[Shell B]

Lucent, I believe we have discussed this before.

[Greatest I am]

When God was finished creating the world, it was "very good". Humans screwed it up. The blame rests on man, not God. He is constantly cleaning up our mess.

Since humans are gods creation he is ultimately responsible.

God gave man dominion over the world, so they become our responsibility.

That being the case, God also gave up any right to punish man and if he does, and he is shown to have, then he broke the word that scriptures says he will not break.

You have just shown your God to be a liar or an usurper of man's dominion. Your choice.

Regards
DL

[Minimalist]

Try to keep up with the flow, Lucy.




You're falling behind.

[downbeatplumb]

My statement referred to plants and bacteria, and that because they don't have souls. I do think they're extraneous to the equation. Does this make me a potential terrorist? I just ate some califlower..are you shedding a tear right now? How about you just stay in the peanut gallery next time.

What evidence do you have for the lack of cauliflower souls?

For that matter, what evidence do you have for the existance of human souls?

[Godscreated]

God lies to no one, read scripture, what makes you think God lied to Adam and Eve.

OK, I'll play the game, lets assume scripture is right, just for the sake of argument:

He lied, if I have scripture right the 'snake' is actually the one that told the truth, but it doesn't matter. A much horrendus crime happened when god judges adam and eve for eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Its like punishing a child that can't understand its actions for touching the hot stove. That is immoral and criminal in my view, god should be tried for negligent care. But you won't see that will you G-C?

And why did god put that tree in there anyway?

The translation is somewhat inaccurate. In the hebrew it reads something like "dying, you will die". What God was saying is that they would no longer be immortal and start to die. There is also the fact that they died spiritually on that day. God didn't lie about anything.

He put the tree there so they would have a choice whether to obey Him or not. If you read the verse when Eve is talking to Satan, it is clear that she understands it is wrong and what the punishment is. She was tempted by these three things:

The lust of the flesh (the tree was good for food)
The lust of the eyes (the tree was a delight to the eyes)
The pride of life (the fruit would make her wise)

She knew it was wrong and she did it anyway. Adam knew it was wrong but listened to his wife instead of God. They broke the fellowship and brought death into the world. They reaped what they sowed.

Thanks lucent for answering that one, been out of town, my aunt passed away. We celebrated her life and the eternal life she will spend with our God and savior.

[The Grand Nudger]

Surely then you could point to the place where this happened? Or examples of immortality, or a mechanism by which immortality were possible, or what was changed within us and evidence of the change. Surely the biology we have is insufficient. Are there traces of this old biology somewhere? Are you suggesting that immortality is possible with these bodies and this biology? Some evidence that demonstrates your account of things and the timeline?

[5thHorseman]

Lucent Wrote:
I'll say it again, the reason you deny God is because of sin and nothing else. If you ever decide that the truth is better than sin, God will forgive you. Until then, He is going to let you believe the lie and be content with spiritual poverty.

I see you get irony.

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Thanks lucent for answering that one, been out of town, my aunt passed away. We celebrated her life and the eternal life she will spend with our God and savior.

Sad for you loss GC.