A really hard question on Satan and deception.

[JollyForr]

I do absolutely know, I have a real relationship with God and have seen His works.

Arrogance and delusion. You know nothing of the sort, but proclaim your beliefs to be truth. I'm tired of the Chrisitian inability to recognize their ideology as beliefs, and their propensity to peddle their interpretation as the only correct one.

A little humility would do you people a lot of good.

I'm not trying to be arrogant, telling what I know to be the truth. Sorry that you do not see it as I do, this does not mean what I know is not the truth.

Well can't you persuade everyone on here why what you believe is true? I desperately want to know. Tell me what huge distinction lies between your faith and someone else's faith. If you wish to convert me, then please, produce some evidence, because I won't listen to your claims otherwise as being true. I could assert many things, and tell you the same things without producing evidence, and I would be in the exact same position as you are in now.

[Minimalist]

I'm not trying to be arrogant

So it just comes naturally, huh.

[Cyberman]

I wouldn't call him stupid - just differently-intelligent. Special, even.

I understand what you mean, you are correct I'm not special, I'm sighted by the grace of God.

Excuse me? How can you possibly say that my statement is correct and then go on to give them the exact opposite meaning to what I intended? In fact, the two statemenets couldn't be further apart in meaning. Misrepresenting what I said in a pathetic attempt to make it appear that I support your delusions may be a common weapon in the godsquad arsenal but I don't appreciate having my words twisted in this manner; please do not do this again.

[chatpilot]

Christianity is true because the bible says so! No matter what form of Christianity you choose there is nothing more fundamentalist than that statement. At heart in my opinion because of this all Christians regardless of sect or affiliation are fundamentalists. You have to start your beliefs without evidence and accept whatever holy book of your choice says as absolute truth regardless of evidence to the contrary. When evidence to the contrary is presented it is ignored or reinterpreted to try and make it fall in line with their beliefs, when this can't be done then it is rejected and discarded as a Satanic deception or the arrogance of man.

[Faith No More]

I'm not trying to be arrogant, telling what I know to be the truth. Sorry that you do not see it as I do, this does not mean what I know is not the truth.

But the thing is you don't know, you only believe it to be the truth, which is irrelevant to your beliefs being true or not. As long as you keep peddling your beliefs as knowledge, the arrogance flows from each word in the sentences you write.

[Greatest I am]

Adam and Eve sinned and then God killed the animals, shedding their blood to cover Adam and Eve's sin and use the skins to cloth them. This covering of Adam and Eve has this symbolic yet realistic meaning. See, no you'll continue to deceive yourself, the entire Bible is relevant. You need to either quit showing your ignorance of scripture or start studying it and see it's truth. Again I see the truth in the scriptures while you continue to deceive yourself.

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Again. Why should I read something that you will just add to going against what the bible itself says not to.
If that is how you follow it then I will not prostitute myself to follow you. You lie.

I will wait for that chapter and verse that you did not give and lied about but your credibility is gone as you are making up stuff.

Regards
DL

[Captain Scarlet]

I do absolutely know, I have a real relationship with God and have seen His works. There is no possibility that He does not exist, can I prove this in a way that will satisfy you, no, but that is not my fault I have given to you some of the things I know of God yet you reject them, the burden falls on you.

Yes on the other hand you could stop whining, displaying breathtaking arrogance in claiming to know things that you cannot possibly know, and advance an argument for the existence of a said diety that doesn't appeal to belief, ignorance, incredulity, personal experience, bare assertions or some other motif which basically states "I am right, because I said so".

As a strong atheist I share a burden of proof, which I try to meet. I know I don't meet it, and that i cannot disprove god, esp. given a lot brighter folks than me have tried and failed. But I find atheistic arguments too compelling and the theistic ones too desperately weak to sit on the fence. You see it's not what we can prove but what we are justified in believing. I claim there is no god on that basis and try to make my case. But yours is the positive claim and attracts a slightly higher burden and you have not met it, which is probably the reason that you cannot 'satisfy' me as to the existence of a god; in your case Jesus. In my original response I stated that you left no room whatsoever for you to be wrong...GC look at your response and see the irony of it. So stop being pathetic, man up and make a case for god (Jesus). If you are just going to whine going boohoo poor me I cannot convince the atheists and they are being mean to me, don't bother responding.

[Godscreated]

I do absolutely know, I have a real relationship with God and have seen His works.

Arrogance and delusion. You know nothing of the sort, but proclaim your beliefs to be truth. I'm tired of the Chrisitian inability to recognize their ideology as beliefs, and their propensity to peddle their interpretation as the only correct one.

A little humility would do you people a lot of good.

I'm not trying to be arrogant, telling what I know to be the truth. Sorry that you do not see it as I do, this does not mean what I know is not the truth.

Well can't you persuade everyone on here why what you believe is true? I desperately want to know. Tell me what huge distinction lies between your faith and someone else's faith. If you wish to convert me, then please, produce some evidence, because I won't listen to your claims otherwise as being true. I could assert many things, and tell you the same things without producing evidence, and I would be in the exact same position as you are in now.

I'm in the situation of knowing the truth by God's revelation, if you want to know what I do you will need to go to God, if you are sincere He will reveal truth of His existence. I'm not sure what you mean by distinction between faiths. It's not I that will make you a believer, that lies in the hand of God.

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I wouldn't call him stupid - just differently-intelligent. Special, even.

I understand what you mean, you are correct I'm not special, I'm sighted by the grace of God.

Excuse me? How can you possibly say that my statement is correct and then go on to give them the exact opposite meaning to what I intended? In fact, the two statemenets couldn't be further apart in meaning. Misrepresenting what I said in a pathetic attempt to make it appear that I support your delusions may be a common weapon in the godsquad arsenal but I don't appreciate having my words twisted in this manner; please do not do this again.

First of all as long as I do not break the rules I can write what I want, second of all it's not my fault you do not understand, I did not twist your words, that's the way you wanted to see things.
Let me put this in simple terms that you might understand. Your intention was to say I was not special and I agree, being sighted by God means that I listen to what He shows me and then tell others, in other words I have no spiritual knowledge other than what God gives me.

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Christianity is true because the bible says so! No matter what form of Christianity you choose there is nothing more fundamentalist than that statement. At heart in my opinion because of this all Christians regardless of sect or affiliation are fundamentalists. You have to start your beliefs without evidence and accept whatever holy book of your choice says as absolute truth regardless of evidence to the contrary. When evidence to the contrary is presented it is ignored or reinterpreted to try and make it fall in line with their beliefs, when this can't be done then it is rejected and discarded as a Satanic deception or the arrogance of man.

You could not be any more wrong, now I understand why you deceived yourself into not believing, a person comes to a knowledge of God through scripture and the Holy Spirit then reveals the truth of God and the salvation that comes through Christ, then it is up to the individual to accept this revelation. I've never seen any evidence against God, care to show me some.

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Adam and Eve sinned and then God killed the animals, shedding their blood to cover Adam and Eve's sin and use the skins to cloth them. This covering of Adam and Eve has this symbolic yet realistic meaning. See, no you'll continue to deceive yourself, the entire Bible is relevant. You need to either quit showing your ignorance of scripture or start studying it and see it's truth. Again I see the truth in the scriptures while you continue to deceive yourself.

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Again. Why should I read something that you will just add to going against what the bible itself says not to.
If that is how you follow it then I will not prostitute myself to follow you. You lie.

I will wait for that chapter and verse that you did not give and lied about but your credibility is gone as you are making up stuff.

Regards
DL

I gave you the chapters to read, you think that one verse is all you need to find truths in scripture and you are wrong as usual, do not be so lazy and read the chapters. If I were to take a science book and pluck out one sentence and say see this proves that (being whatever) can't be true and if I had taken the time to read further and study what I read I would have seen it to be true. So why do you refuse to do the same. Tell me how is it that an atheist who does not believe what scriptures teach thinks he is an expert on them, now that's what I consider a person deceived.

[Godscreated]

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I do absolutely know, I have a real relationship with God and have seen His works. There is no possibility that He does not exist, can I prove this in a way that will satisfy you, no, but that is not my fault I have given to you some of the things I know of God yet you reject them, the burden falls on you.

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Yes on the other hand you could stop whining, displaying breathtaking arrogance in claiming to know things that you cannot possibly know, and advance an argument for the existence of a said diety that doesn't appeal to belief, ignorance, incredulity, personal experience, bare assertions or some other motif which basically states "I am right, because I said so".

As a strong atheist I share a burden of proof, which I try to meet. I know I don't meet it, and that i cannot disprove god, esp. given a lot brighter folks than me have tried and failed. But I find atheistic arguments too compelling and the theistic ones too desperately weak to sit on the fence. You see it's not what we can prove but what we are justified in believing. I claim there is no god on that basis and try to make my case. But yours is the positive claim and attracts a slightly higher burden and you have not met it, which is probably the reason that you cannot 'satisfy' me as to the existence of a god; in your case Jesus. In my original response I stated that you left no room whatsoever for you to be wrong...GC look at your response and see the irony of it. So stop being pathetic, man up and make a case for god (Jesus). If you are just going to whine going boohoo poor me I cannot convince the atheists and they are being mean to me, don't bother responding.

I do not whine, and as I said the evidence that I could give you would not be the proof you would accept, so what's up with you CS. I did not come on this forum to prove God exist to you or anyone else, that is what God does. I will defend what I know to be the truth whether you like it or not, just because you do not want to believe does not invalidate what I know. Hear this clearly I know without a doubt that the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit do exist and are who they say they are, one God in three Persons. So I do not boohoo because atheist do not believe, I do however feel bad that you do not because I know positively what your eternal destination will be and it makes me sad. I have presented a loving savior as many others have and if you refuse to believe then you have made a decision for yourself and the consequences fall on you.

[Greatest I am]

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I gave you the chapters to read, you think that one verse is all you need to find truths in scripture and you are wrong as usual, do not be so lazy and read the chapters. If I were to take a science book and pluck out one sentence and say see this proves that (being whatever) can't be true and if I had taken the time to read further and study what I read I would have seen it to be true. So why do you refuse to do the same. Tell me how is it that an atheist who does not believe what scriptures teach thinks he is an expert on them, now that's what I consider a person deceived.

I have read the bible and that is how I know you have added to it.
You lied.

Regards
DL