God Is Real

[KdThaKing]

Im curious to know how do you guys think life began?

Most probably Abiogenesis.
But it is certainly nowhere near as set-in-stone as Evolution is.

I'll go with a very good previous answer:

"Very slowly."

ill have to study on abiogenesis...thanks

[Erinome]

I think I might be too stressed to deal with this xtian right now. My brain hurts.

[KdThaKing]

then why is it not appropriate for me not to make that statement?

That is kind of a double negative. At least, it would be unless you meant why is it not appropriate for me to not say I am a king, which I do not think you meant to say, as that would not pertain to this discussion. You just basically asked why it is appropriate for you to make that statement. Double negatives render the clause affirmative.

Anyway, assuming you meant, why is it not okay for me to call myself king, here is your answer:

1. I really do not care if you call yourself king. I am merely pointing out the humor in you quoting that oft-repeated bible quote to someone else, despite you obviously being prideful enough to call yourself a king.

2. I assume it is a misnomer, given that you are statistically unlikely to be one of the very few (if any) male monarchs left on this planet.

3. It is hubris to call yourself a king if you are, in fact, no such thing.

Again, I do not care. I'm just pointing out how silly it is to call someone else prideful whilst calling yourself "thaking."

I can see how logic can bring you to that conclusion it is quite humorous when i look at it in your POV...well the D stands for David and my name is David..and the king part is actually a statement of gratitude toward My God for making allowing me to have a place in His kingdom as a king after death on this world..sry i didnt understand lol

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I think I might be too stressed to deal with this xtian right now. My brain hurts.

dont deal with me just keep an open mind with me and conversate..

[Lehrling]

Most probably Abiogenesis.
But it is certainly nowhere near as set-in-stone as Evolution is.

I'll go with a very good previous answer:

"Very slowly."

ill have to study on abiogenesis...thanks

You should.
It is a fun yet highly misrepresented subject.

So nature just by chance happened the way it is?

I was hoping we could keep this cordial, but I cannot excuse this.

How DARE you suggest Evolution is a chance process?
Do you know a single thing about it?
Natural Selection is the OPPOSITE of chance, if anything!

[KdThaKing]

You should.
It is a fun yet highly misrepresented subject.

It is difficult to understand things because if we rely on the wisdom we currently have as a whole of humans our progression is very slow and very limited.If i was to be a freethinker about everything then i would say that there is no truth or no lie just the fact that things are here now and thats what i believe.If i were to think like that then recorded history of miracles,signs,even appearances of spirits would all be false and nothing more than the imaginitive devices of delusional people.I would say that some people are inferior to others and that the inferior ones are suffered with psychological problems and physical problems and i would assume that i was not one of those people yet i was in the highest range of people.The train of thought for freethinking in my opinion leads nowhere but destruction what do you think?

So nature just by chance happened the way it is?

I was hoping we could keep this cordial, but I cannot excuse this.

How DARE you suggest Evolution is a chance process?
Do you know a single thing about it?
Natural Selection is the OPPOSITE of chance, if anything!

please dont take it offensively i just wanted confirmation of the response you gave me and if my interpretation was correct.I wasnt being sarcastic or humourous or trying to make you look simple.

It is difficult to understand things because if we rely on the wisdom we currently have as a whole of humans our progression is very slow and very limited.If i was to be a freethinker about everything then i would say that there is no truth or no lie just the fact that things are here now and thats what i believe.If i were to think like that then recorded history of miracles,signs,even appearances of spirits would all be false and nothing more than the imaginitive devices of delusional people.I would say that some people are inferior to others and that the inferior ones are suffered with psychological problems and physical problems and i would assume that i was not one of those people yet i was in the highest range of people.The train of thought for freethinking in my opinion leads nowhere but destruction what do you think?

So are you saying that natural selection is an entity within itself which dictates on its own who does what and so on?

[Lehrling]

It is difficult to understand things because if we rely on the wisdom we currently have as a whole of humans our progression is very slow and very limited.If i was to be a freethinker about everything then i would say that there is no truth or no lie just the fact that things are here now and thats what i believe.If i were to think like that then recorded history of miracles,signs,even appearances of spirits would all be false and nothing more than the imaginitive devices of delusional people.I would say that some people are inferior to others and that the inferior ones are suffered with psychological problems and physical problems and i would assume that i was not one of those people yet i was in the highest range of people.The train of thought for freethinking in my opinion leads nowhere but destruction what do you think?

I disagree with the bolded part, basically.
A freethinker does not mean one's brain falls out of their head due to open-mindedness; they simply reject dogma (and accept science). Science does not teach that truth is subjective; it teaches that truth is what the evidence supports.
Or at least, it teaches that the only reasonable thing to accept as truth is what the evidence supports.

I was hoping we could keep this cordial, but I cannot excuse this.

How DARE you suggest Evolution is a chance process?
Do you know a single thing about it?
Natural Selection is the OPPOSITE of chance, if anything!

please dont take it offensively i just wanted confirmation of the response you gave me and if my interpretation was correct.I wasnt being sarcastic or humourous or trying to make you look simple.

Hm.
Just try actually researching what it is you are arguing against next time.
No biggie; I just get this way too much.

[KdThaKing]

So what evidence doesnt support then thats as good as saying that it doesnt exist?I think in order to be a freethinker you must first acknowledge the thought that anything is possible.If I was to place my faith in modern science then my faith would only be limited to what other people discover in this day in age and in the lifespan that i have.People a long time ago believed the earth was flat and they tried to prove numerous theories in which they proved at the time but it was proven to be false later on.Like people say oil comes from dead dinosaurs and such but oil actually regenerates itself like every other natural resource.If i was a freethinker also i would consider not believing anything that people tell me because of the simple fact that people could intentionally tell me something wrong as a manipulation tactic.I would say to myself,If i havent been hands on with the study then what sense does it make to believe anything that comes from another person who may or may not have my best interest at heart.Hence a fact is much more than what people acknowledge it is the truth and the only truth.What if one day scientists discover God was true all along?What if the scientists main purpose for entering into science was to try to find an alternative way to not involve God in the equation but steal the glory from Him and deliver it unto the "scientist".Thats an open thought

[5thHorseman]

I do not know how we came about, the science community are certain we evolved, and being that in 152 years since Darwins Origin if the Species book was released, the evidence has mounted, especially with things like DNA. The obvious parallels between us and chimpanzees, the fact that we are 99% the same, DNA-wise. All the million year old skeletons found in the Savannah, slightly different, but the same nonetheless. The job of the science community is to prove and disprove. Scientists are some of the most competitive glory hunters around, if they could prove that Darwin was even a little bit wrong, they would. Even the Christian professor Dr Francis Collins believes in evolution.

It's one of those things, educated people who study this for a living, have a consensus that it is correct. Uneducated people who have an agenda, i.e. you, a Christian who wants the bible to be true, still refuse to believe it because of a poorly written and terribly put together book from the bronze age says different. And they can't accept that your not special, you were not put here as you are, and you are really related to apes.

God dunnit is not an answer. You do not know if there is/was a god, we do know Darwin existed and that he was far smarter then a book or a priest, and don't forget, until his findings, he was a nutty Christian too.

[Shell B]

It's simple. Do not believe something unless it comes from a source you trust, you have seen it for yourself or you understand the mechanics behind it.

For example, I know that gear ratio dictates the output of a gear train.

I know this because Mr. Lane told me and he is the man.

I know this because I fucked up enough gear trains to see it for myself.

I know this because I understand how all of the gears in a gear train, the speed of the input gear, the size of their teeth and the number of their teeth dictate output, to put it simply. I've done the math, I've seen the math and I have applied the math. I also hate the math.

Long story short, people in most fields of science are not guessing. They have experienced at least two of the three above criteria before they say, "Hey, that's how it works." in most cases.

[KdThaKing]

I do not know how we came about, the science community are certain we evolved, and being that in 152 years since Darwins Origin if the Species book was released, the evidence has mounted, especially with things like DNA. The obvious parallels between us and chimpanzees, the fact that we are 99% the same, DNA-wise. All the million year old skeletons found in the Savannah, slightly different, but the same nonetheless. The job of the science community is to prove and disprove. Scientists are some of the most competitive glory hunters around, if they could prove that Darwin was even a little bit wrong, they would. Even the Christian professor Dr Francis Collins believes in evolution.

It's one of those things, educated people who study this for a living, have a consensus that it is correct. Uneducated people who have an agenda, i.e. you, a Christian who wants the bible to be true, still refuse to believe it because of a poorly written and terribly put together book from the bronze age says different. And they can't accept that your not special, you were not put here as you are, and you are really related to apes.

God dunnit is not an answer. You do not know if there is/was a god, we do know Darwin existed and that he was far smarter then a book or a priest, and don't forget, until his findings, he was a nutty Christian too.

Well actually technically if you want to get scientific,us coming from ape is an hypothesis at best.Until you see an ape transform into a human then you cant conclude it to be a fact.The same could be said by you guys about GOD.so therefore believing we came from apes could be in the "Logical" perspective just as silly as believing in a GOD.Christians believe God made and put us here as we are.People could have different shapes of the body or whatever you want to say but the fact is a human cant come from a monkey just as much as a grape from an orange.People with intelligence know that with intelligence designs and structure and laws are created.All of the laws humans create came from the intelligence that was born or created by something.Its not hard