Jesus birth date and death

[thesummerqueen]

Tux - this probably isn't the answer you want but I truly suspect that most people don't even think about it. Not enough to ask. With the advent of calendars, it's not necessary to remember when anything happens - you just go look it up. I certainly don't bother keeping the Jewish moon cycles in my head, even though I'd still have to visit mum for holidays on occasion. I just look them up on a "secular" calendar and plan accordingly.

That said, I further imagine a priest would choose one or the other to be the "firm" date and say the other was "metaphorical". Technically, both happen on the "same" date, the calendars just don't mesh. As it's Jesus' resurrection that's supposed to be the root of all this hooey, I would continue to imagine that would be the date they call the "important" one, and his birth, though miraculous, is acceptable to be celebrated but not critical.

[Ziploc Surprise]

When you look at religion you have to look at the big picture. You have to look at the whole batshittery spectrum. The fact that Christmas and Easter most likely are not actual birth and death dates is fairly low on the batshittery spectrum for them (although they don't call it the batshittery spectrum it's actually called major and minor theology). It can be glossed over by saying that it's the celebration that matters not so much the dates. Of course they could just ask god (who tells them so many other things to do) when the correct dates are and be done with it. I kind of like Christmas as a winter solstice celebration (though a few days late) I have seasonal affective disorder and, even though I live deep in the Bible belt, winters are still somewhat significant here so a little cheer is nice.

See how things can so easily get glossed over?

[Godscreated]

This post is not about the truth, I was asking how do the clergy respond when a parishioner asks about the very paganistic moon phase thing.

With concocted batshittery and lies, of course.

Umm.... you just described every aspect of every religion.. my question was specifically about the discrepancy between the dates, one moves about and one doesn't..... but I guess doing that answers not just my question but every question asked.

The date for Christ's birth was set on a solar calendar and as ones birthday goes they are all set on a certain date. With Christ death and resurrection they were set on days of the week, so it's natural for them to move around the calendar whether it's a lunar calendar or a solar calendar. The time of year of Christ's resurrection was Passover which is set by the phase of the moon on a lunar calendar and the moon phase always moves around on a calendar, this too is a natural occurrence.

[Minimalist]

With Christ death and resurrection they were set on days of the week

Now if you could only figure out the year, you'd be all set.

[KichigaiNeko]

With Christ death and resurrection they were set on days of the week

So was the Winter Solstice (still is) so what?

[Erinome]

The date for Christ's birth was set on a solar calendar and as ones birthday goes they are all set on a certain date. With Christ death and resurrection they were set on days of the week, so it's natural for them to move around the calendar whether it's a lunar calendar or a solar calendar. The time of year of Christ's resurrection was Passover which is set by the phase of the moon on a lunar calendar and the moon phase always moves around on a calendar, this too is a natural occurrence.

This from the genius-astronomer who thinks The Star of Bethlehem was a real and very special event, ladies and gentleman.

[Godscreated]

With Christ death and resurrection they were set on days of the week

So was the Winter Solstice (still is) so what?

So, how is that relevant to the OP.

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The date for Christ's birth was set on a solar calendar and as ones birthday goes they are all set on a certain date. With Christ death and resurrection they were set on days of the week, so it's natural for them to move around the calendar whether it's a lunar calendar or a solar calendar. The time of year of Christ's resurrection was Passover which is set by the phase of the moon on a lunar calendar and the moon phase always moves around on a calendar, this too is a natural occurrence.

This from the genius-astronomer who thinks The Star of Bethlehem was a real and very special event, ladies and gentleman.

I do and it's sad that nonbelievers would reject the science they so cherish just to say they are right. Jesus taught about people like you and so did my parents.

[Minimalist]

I do and it's sad that nonbelievers would reject the science they so cherish just to say they are right.

You remind me of the movie Dumb and Dumber. Everything you say falls into one of those categories.

[tuxcomputers]

Even fundamentalists will admit they are not sure when in the year Jesus was born. Also that the holiday of Saturnalia (which fell at the same time as Christmas) got appropriated by Christians (at least in the west).

So you think the conversation goes something like this:

Parishioner: Father I don't understand why the birth of Jebus is always the same date but the date his death is remembered all depends on the phase of the moon.
Priest: Oh that's because we appropriated the the holiday of Saturnalia from the Roman pagans for Christmas and Easter comes from the pagan ritual of celebrating the new life in spring.

Really? You think that is the answer to my question? If you do then you didn't understand my original question, go back to the first post and think about what I am asking.

[Norfolk And Chance]

Most christians do not believe that Christ was born on Dec. 25th, He was most likely born in Sept. or Oct.

Yeah they changed his birthday to December 25th because it's the only day that most of us definitely get off.

September or October would have been no good.