(August 2, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote: Threads like this strengthen my conclusion that I'll never be an atheist.

We just took a quick straw poll and agreed that we prefer you stay with the dummies.  You fit in better over there.

(August 2, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote: Threads like this strengthen my conclusion that I'll never be an atheist.

Doesn't surprise me.  It's a gross thing to contemplate.  In fact, before this thread my thought was Jesus was not for three days and then he was again.  But now the idea has been raised, I suppose that if it's a true story god must have let the devil have at.  And presumably he'd have done his worst knowing full well his time was limited.

If you really do believe in heaven and hell and the death and resurrection, it's worth contemplating.  It certainly ups the sacrifice stakes.  It's more of an act of love and sacrifice if he went to hell for reals rather than just winking out for bit isn't it?

But frankly it ups my Christian god doesn't exist stakes.  You see even three days of the worst torment imaginable is more than any human deserves for tormenting others during life.  So the just, let alone loving, god of the NT simply can't exist.

(August 2, 2015 at 4:16 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I think I have made a valiant effort in making the story make sense. 

Satan HAD to be appeased (compensated) in the transaction that purchased Salvation for the 144,000.   Jesus is clearly the only one tagged to pay too, never heard a christer claim anyone else's sacrifice would do. Clearly, boiling ordinary sinners in molten iron doesn't buy Salvation for anyone. Just try to imagine for a moment what Jesus would have had to willingly endure to appease Satan for the sake of the 144,000 !!!   And to do it in just a matter of several hours.

If anything, I have understated the magnitude of His (temporary) torment.   Satan would not be bought off cheap.

The 144,000 were all Jews, all male and all virgins. If they're the only ones who will be saved then the vast majority of Christians are out of luck..

If there's some principle of justice to which Yahweh must adhere then that principle is god and Yahweh is just a puppet deity who must do as he is bidden.

(August 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(August 2, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote: Threads like this strengthen my conclusion that I'll never be an atheist.

Doesn't surprise me.  It's a gross thing to contemplate.  In fact, before this thread my thought was Jesus was not for three days and then he was again.  But now the idea has been raised, I suppose that if it's a true story god must have let the devil have at.  And presumably he'd have done his worst knowing full well his time was limited.

If you really do believe in heaven and hell and the death and resurrection, it's worth contemplating.  It certainly ups the sacrifice stakes.  It's more of an act of love and sacrifice if he went to hell for reals rather than just winking out for bit isn't it?

But frankly it ups my Christian god doesn't exist stakes.  You see even three days of the worst torment imaginable is more than any human deserves for tormenting others during life.  So the just, let alone loving, god of the NT simply can't exist.

Jenny, you seem to be one of the most bible literate atheists in this forum. Do you think that the bible says Jesus went to hell and was tortured and tormented by Satan? Also, do you think that the bible says that Jesus died only for 144,000 people (virgin men no less)? Maybe, in the process of getting out your frustrations with christians, you all like to make things up and then rag on us about those things.

(August 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(August 2, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote: Threads like this strengthen my conclusion that I'll never be an atheist.

Doesn't surprise me.  It's a gross thing to contemplate.  In fact, before this thread my thought was Jesus was not for three days and then he was again.  But now the idea has been raised, I suppose that if it's a true story god must have let the devil have at.  And presumably he'd have done his worst knowing full well his time was limited.

If you really do believe in heaven and hell and the death and resurrection, it's worth contemplating.  It certainly ups the sacrifice stakes.  It's more of an act of love and sacrifice if he went to hell for reals rather than just winking out for bit isn't it?

But frankly it ups my Christian god doesn't exist stakes.  You see even three days of the worst torment imaginable is more than any human deserves for tormenting others during life.  So the just, let alone loving, god of the NT simply can't exist.

An intermittent Jesus is an interesting idea.  I'm not sure how that would work though. Physical death of His human body, yada, yada, yada, but His immortal Soul (Jesus had a Soul, right?) would have some sort of continuity between His expiration on the cross and His resumption of His celestial duties.

Unless of course It didn't.

And if It did, well, what else is there for It to experience except vile and pernicious torments in Hell during the time period in question ??

Like I noted before, Jesus isn't going to be noshing canapes in the VIP box in the Ninth Circle of Hell in the interim, although we apparently have some christers here with their little hearts set on minimizing the notion of any particular inconvenience experienced on their behalf by Jesus.

(August 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: So, Jesus done gets Himself crucified, then what ?


Satan gets the Godboy, what does ol' Satan do with Him for those 3 days??  I think we can rule out visiting the bistro in Hell's mezzanine for a little conversation and a spot of desert and coffee right off the bat.

The bible omits any mention of preconditions God may have communicated to spare the kid some of the grosser depredations of the more deviant and criminally psychotically insane tormenters down there, so can we agree Jesus had a hideous 3 days indeed ??

Afterall, he is taking unto Himself all the torments to be meted out to literally billions, if not trillions of human sinners for potentially, an INFINITE duration.

I'm thinking Jesus had a rough go.  It might be possible He still isn't Himself 2000 years later. 

Just considering the logistics of it, how could the infrastructure and staffers of Hell support such an intense bout of tormenting, and during those 3 days, what of the other condemned souls ??

Still, Satan saw what was up, probably before Mary got nailed, and had time to prepare to an extent.  I'd still wonder though, if Satan could not infinitely torment Jesus in the time allotted, would humanity be fully redeemed ??

Odd and strange, perhaps, Satan had that degree of control and impact on God's Holy (and mysterious) Plan and it's successful denouement; Salvation.

Was Satan pondering this as he plunged his massively erect cloven penis deep into Christ's tender anus and ejaculated an eons worth of incandescently burning sperms to scald Christ thoroughly from the inside out ?

Actually none of that happened. It's all just a made up story.

(August 2, 2015 at 7:45 pm)Lek Wrote: [quote='Jenny A' pid='1011894' dateline='1438549851']
Do you think that the bible says Jesus went to hell and was tortured and tormented by Satan?  

Why did jesus go down there for "3" days then? And, why did it take 3 days to do whatever he had to do?

(August 2, 2015 at 7:45 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Doesn't surprise me.  It's a gross thing to contemplate.  In fact, before this thread my thought was Jesus was not for three days and then he was again.  But now the idea has been raised, I suppose that if it's a true story god must have let the devil have at.  And presumably he'd have done his worst knowing full well his time was limited.

If you really do believe in heaven and hell and the death and resurrection, it's worth contemplating.  It certainly ups the sacrifice stakes.  It's more of an act of love and sacrifice if he went to hell for reals rather than just winking out for bit isn't it?

But frankly it ups my Christian god doesn't exist stakes.  You see even three days of the worst torment imaginable is more than any human deserves for tormenting others during life.  So the just, let alone loving, god of the NT simply can't exist.

Jenny, you seem to be one of the most bible literate atheists in this forum.  Do you think that the bible says Jesus went to hell and was tortured and tormented by Satan?  Also, do you think that the bible says that Jesus died only for 144,000 people (virgin men no less)?  Maybe, in the process of getting out your frustrations with christians, you all like to make things up and then rag on us about those things.

A lot of Atheists are biblical literalists. It makes up for the fact that most Christians today are not, because to be so you would have to believe some ridiculous stuff and also modify your behavior in a way that is not consistent with modern society. Also I think there are a lot of things that would make modern Christians theologically uncomfortable about the bible. The reality is that if you have even a moderately conservative view of the bible, say that people commonly had 80 or 100 years ago, the whole idea of modern protestantism, with it's john 3:16 fetish, goes right out the window.

I know I am again sounding like a broken record again, but damn, I'd sure like to get some christer witnesses here that are Literalist and Inerrant Believers and who eschew all this new fangled heresy, apostasy and blasphemy.

Fuck, if that caliber of religionite is all that God Almighty can cough up these days, he's doomed, doomed I say.