(October 8, 2015 at 10:32 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Where does the Bible mention homosexuality in the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah?  It just says they were wicked.  Now I grant you the town wanted to rape a couple angels.  But then Lot was willing to give his daughters to the crowd.  And he's supposed to be the good guy.

Why do you call Lot good? no one is good except God.

The Bible says Lot was a righteous man.

(October 9, 2015 at 12:03 am)Irrational Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:32 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Why do you call Lot good? no one is good except God.

The Bible says Lot was a righteous man.

that doesn't mean he was perfect. He was a sinner like you and I

(October 8, 2015 at 9:53 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone
I'm going to say that God doesn't like it one bit.

I don't like any god doing such a thing either. No excuse for abuse.

(October 9, 2015 at 12:05 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 12:03 am)Irrational Wrote: The Bible says Lot was a righteous man.

that doesn't mean he was perfect. He was a sinner like you and I

Not being perfect does not mean being a sinner. Learn to show more respect to yourself.

(October 8, 2015 at 11:56 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:32 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

Why do you call Lot good? no one is good except God.

Fornication = unmarried, unapproved, and/or "casual" sex.

Going after strange flesh = rape? Angel rape? Gay rape? Virgin daughters of Lot rape? Raping anyone who came to town on visit?

I mean, doesn't it even cross your mind that you could be mistaken about the lesson of S&G? 

The fact that Lot thought offering his daughters  to the crowd makes it pretty plain that the Bible wasn't suggesting the crowd were homosexuals. They were rapists. It is common knowledge in the field of criminology that rapists, especially child molesters, care far more about power and control than they do about the gender of their victims. It's one of the reasons so many men are raped in the military, by otherwise "straight" soldiers, in addition to the women who are attacked.  

Why is the lesson there not, "God burned cities where the society/culture of those cities thought that sexual assault was okay?"

All the cities in existence sinned but God destroyed those two cities specifically, and it's because they committed that particular sin - going after strange flesh. the lesson is that God hates that sin a lot.

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(October 9, 2015 at 12:08 am)Irrational Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 12:05 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: that doesn't mean he was perfect. He was a sinner like you and I

Not being perfect does not mean being a sinner. Learn to show more respect to yourself.

according to the bible sin is what ruins our perfection. I have respect for myself. I realize my flaws.

(October 9, 2015 at 12:08 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 11:56 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Fornication = unmarried, unapproved, and/or "casual" sex.

Going after strange flesh = rape? Angel rape? Gay rape? Virgin daughters of Lot rape? Raping anyone who came to town on visit?

I mean, doesn't it even cross your mind that you could be mistaken about the lesson of S&G? 

The fact that Lot thought offering his daughters  to the crowd makes it pretty plain that the Bible wasn't suggesting the crowd were homosexuals. They were rapists. It is common knowledge in the field of criminology that rapists, especially child molesters, care far more about power and control than they do about the gender of their victims. It's one of the reasons so many men are raped in the military, by otherwise "straight" soldiers, in addition to the women who are attacked.  

Why is the lesson there not, "God burned cities where the society/culture of those cities thought that sexual assault was okay?"

All the cities in existence sinned but God destroyed those two cities specifically, and it's because they committed that particular sin - going after strange flesh. the lesson is that God hates that sin a lot.

Yeah, I get that. Why do you think it means "gay" and not "rape"?

(October 9, 2015 at 12:08 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 12:08 am)Irrational Wrote: Not being perfect does not mean being a sinner. Learn to show more respect to yourself.

according to the bible sin is what ruins our perfection. I have respect for myself. I realize my flaws.

You don't have to be perfect. You're only human.

Christianity isn't just against homosexuality, its bumping and grinding on it.

(October 8, 2015 at 9:53 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone
I'm going to say that God doesn't like it one bit.

If you're going to comment on the fairy tale learn what the damn thing says.

Homosexuality had nothing to do with Sodom's destruction.

Ezekiel 16:49-50 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...CV;NET;CEV

Don't you know?  Sodom and its environs is going to be rebuilt to all of its former glory.  If you act now you will be able to get some choice property at rock-bottom prices.

Ezekiel 16:55 =https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...CV;NET;CEV

"Christianity" can be almost anything. Anyone can just believe whatever they want and still call themselves a Christian.

As for the bible, it isn't technically homophobic, but it is violently against man on man sex. Whether the men in question are gay or straight, the bible says (not in these exact words) that anal sex between them is punishable by death. A popular misconception is that the story about Sodom and Gamorrah is about god hating gays. It isn't. It's ironic we have the phrase "Sodomy". As an aside, we also have "Onanism" for masturbation, even though the story of Onan didn't mention masturbation at all.

The difference between sexuality and sexual acts is misunderstood even today by a lot of people, including many members of this forum. So the idea that they'd have known the difference back then is unlikely. If they'd have been able to properly establish the difference, I reckon it would have been explicitly homophobic as well.

Now, the bible says you should kill the men after they have anal sex. For anyone actually following what it says instead of making up their own shit, this would involve spying on people, and then organizing their execution after the act. However, in civilized countries, you can't get away with this kind of thing so homophobic Christians tend to settle for just making their life generally difficult. It's damn lucky secular laws overrule biblical edicts.

I guess the logic goes like this:

1) He looks gay / is with a man who I presume is his partner / is married to a man
2) Therefor he is gay
3) Therefor he has had gay sex at some point
4) Therefor I should kill him
5) But I can't do that, so the next best thing is to piss him off
6) I hope people are nicer to me when I come out than I am to them