(October 11, 2015 at 10:47 am)Drich Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 4:06 am)loganonekenobi Wrote: I had a thought (this is dangerous I know).

to the Bible homosexuality is a sin.  A sin meaning that it is a choice by the offending human.... not the force of God.

So if that be the case then homosexuality is in no part biological since that would be God's doing.

as far as I know we as humans do not purposely align the fetus to be a certain gender or sexual orientation. Not yet anyway (Gatica!)

Yet there is some growing evidence that sexual orientation is at least in part biological.

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/...idence.htm

now i'm not saying it's conclusive by any means but the evidence is getting stronger in this direction.

By that logic then God is at least in some way responsible for homosexuality.

If that also be the case then this is strong evidence that homophobic men wrote the Bible.  A God of any reasonable thought would not create something then tell others to destroy it unless that god was truly evil.

Now  I make the connection to gay marriage and it seems a lot more clear why the Christians are against any recognition of any sort of gay rights.  It would undermine the very idea that the Bible is the word of God.  which of course we fully understand.

Please give me your thoughts on this matter and maybe give me different directions to explore on this subject.

Your arguement fails for two reasons. One you misidentifying/define sin

Sin is any thought or activity that is outside the expressed will of God.

Two in order for your conclusion about homosexuality being defined in the bible as a sin, you have to assume the all heterosexual sex has been permitted.

Meaning if one could have sex just based on heterosexual want it would be "ok" then your arguement would make sense. Because only then you can say sexual orientation was specifically targeted. This however is not the case.

I don't know if you are aware or not, but their is a strict probation on ALL sexual activity outside the confines of a sanctified marriage. This means that everyone is to suppress all sexual urges and desires in word thought, and deed. Unless one is in a sanctified marriage with another then all sex is off limits.

This is in direct violation of all of our basic/primal desires or needs. Not just the homosexual. That make all homosexual activity a sexual sin just like any other. No worse no better. As such it faces the same restrictions and demand for atonement and repentance as does every other sexual sin.

why would your god make us sexual creatures and then demand us to forgo that desire until only a specific set of circumstances occur? Why would a good and loving god do this and then threaten us with hell in the after life and make us feel guilt in this one.

The answer: A) God is a cruel jokester or
B) there is no god and the whole thing was made up by men who were/are homophobic.

(October 11, 2015 at 1:23 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Homosexuality, like most human behaviors, is brought on through a combination of biological and psychological factors the effects of which vary from person to person.
At the end of the day unless a behavior actually harms someone theres not much reason to ban it.

That being said I'm looking forward to the hammer of homosexuality being put into the next Dragon Age.
I'm just kidding. Me buy an EA game? After Mass Effect 3? Thats rich.

Would it be the "tea bag of justice"?

(October 12, 2015 at 12:29 am)ronedee Wrote: There is nothing wrong with same sex people loving each other! Its the sex part that is abnormal. Homosexuality is not natural, or procreative. And is a mental illness, and/or perversion. All sex outside of marriage is considered wrong according to the bible.

And marriage is between a man and a woman.  

Genesis 2:18 "Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper [suitable] for him.”

suit·a·ble
ˈso͞odəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: suitable

   right or appropriate for a particular person, purpose, or situation.
   "these two men are not suitable for producing children"
   synonyms: acceptable, satisfactory, fitting

but then why create homosexuals at all. the studies are strongly evident that it's not all a choice/environment that at least some part is biological and therefor under God's control.

and what about women who lick...i mean love each other. in no part of the Bible is there anything against that.

Why? because a majority of men are okay with watching two women go at it but not two men. we've all known many a guy who has said "fags are gross but I love watching two women have sex." (insert redneck accent here).

my super power of common sense tells me that no good and loving/all knowing omnipotent god would do this but homophobic men would.

the hammer or now the tea bag is decending upon the christian heads.

taste the rainbow.

(October 12, 2015 at 5:36 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 6:44 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Your "bad side"? Brother, I did nine years flat in Maximum-security prison, surrounded by serial rapists and men who'd as soon stab you as look at you. I've seen almost as much blood and violent death as a combat veteran. What do you think you could possibly do or say that would make me bat an eyelash?

I think you drastically underestimate the amount of hurt you have caused your daughter, even if she hides it well out of her love for you.

And I agree, I'd be most curious to see this link showing homosexuality is a mental illness.

LOL! I don't care about your prison life it has nothing to do w/ our exchanges here, but to make you look like you have something to prove. Suffice it to say, your
list of bs is nothing compared to what I've been through in my life... but I don't feel the need to relay it to you. And frankly it's none of your fucking business.

If you want to go on in an intelligent conversation, drop the shit and name calling. Otherwise find another sounding board for your apparent need to polish your manhood!

Most of you here in this thread don't know me. And I won't engage your questions unless they are free of name calling, and outrageous speculation. What's the point? You have your minds made up about me, and what I have to say. I'll just do drive-by shoots.... that's more fun any way!

Rocket, I think you broke ronedee.

Rondee is suffering from extreme annoying bastard syndrome. Poor fella.

(October 12, 2015 at 3:34 am)ronedee Wrote: Bible for the moment aside, and for the sake of argument; Homosexuality is a mental illness, its been medically proven study after study.

That's a complete lie.

(October 12, 2015 at 6:58 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 3:34 am)ronedee Wrote: Bible for the moment aside, and for the sake of argument; Homosexuality is a mental illness, its been medically proven study after study.

That's a complete lie.

It hasn't been classed as a mental illness since 1973.  That doesn't stop the hatefilled bigots from trying to deny it though.

christians take 3 anal floggings and call me in the morning you will be saying the opposite.

The extreme discussion on the subject almost brings me to tears.

I have learned that homosexuality is not a mental illness.

I have seen how much violence is directed at the LGBT community just for being different.

I haven't heard much (if any) points that refute that homosexuality is partly biological and could therefor be construed as done by God.

which means once again the christers have to face one of three options.

1) God is cruel

2) God makes mistakes and then expects the christers to correct them

3) homophobic men wrote the Bible.

which hammer do you choose?

If all sexual sin is as important then there would be a lot people beaten and killed with the words "fornicator" screamed at them. I'm not seeing the statistics on that one.

It comes down to the fear and hatred of all things different or not understood. Which is very much a human trait not the trait of a god.

there are a lot of really sad/horrible stories that tell over and over again that the adherents to the chistian doctrine causes pain, lose, suffering, and death.

I'm not one to use insults but today I will make an exception.

I think the christers like it this way.

Cause enough pain and suffering or kill enough disinters and may be they (those that are different) will shut up about their individuality.

That seems to be the christian way.

God clearly has no power at all if he needs empty headed bigots running around persecuting people in his absence. If he's there, and he has such a problem with it, let him deal with it directly. He is a god, remember.

Or is he just a mascot?