We can see god mystic...?  That's a testable claim.  Are you sure that's wise? Probably better to stick to making claims for one's self...and in vague terms, such as the "visions" bit below - that isn't likely to have anything to do with sight.

Don't you think?

(July 1, 2016 at 12:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. Because we are connected to God and can see him.

2. Because there is good reasons to believe in God through what we know about ourselves.

3. Through remembering a vision of God we've witnessed before.

4. Because he lives in us.

You've always struck me as a nice guy, Mystic, so I'm going to temper my response.

What a load of unsubstantiated, wishful horseshit!

Why not a better response like:

"Interesting perspective, how can we come to the same perspective and know it to be true?"

Why is always hate towards the idea of connection to God?

I can see a lot of stuff. Someone would have to tell me what out of that stuff is meant to be god.

(July 1, 2016 at 1:03 pm)robvalue Wrote: I can see a lot of stuff. Someone would have to tell me what out of that stuff is meant to be god.

The star that manifests guidance in the dark night. Like Abraham did, you are going to have to say "This is my Lord" and start your journey, till, it becomes the Sun brightening your heart.

It doesn't matter how dim the light is in the beginning, we have to trust that balanced guiding light is God, see he is the blessed sword of honor with us, and hold on to him and let him train our souls, and listen to it's wisdom and what it has to teach us.

All holy books came so people awaken to the pure guide within them, the praise and majesty of God with them, the authority by which God thunders in the soul and says "I am God, your King", the Messengers all came so people can be reminded to make the journey from the darkness to the light.

The blessed creator is the blessed in the blessings and is the light of all light. He is with us and lives in all things. 

There is a spiritual world, and in that world, we all connected to the Guide on earth, the leader of our time, the perfect human on earth.

You are going to have look towards the spiritual kingdom within you to see this. No one can force you to acknowledge it or recognize it.  It's always been there with you, God and his light of guidance that it is.

You are going to have hone your soul senses and try to see. Or you can go on looking for arguments, and deny, and look to debate, all while people are making the journey while you increase in hate of that path.

(July 1, 2016 at 1:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why not a better response like:

"Interesting perspective, how can we come to the same perspective and know it to be true?"

Why is always hate towards the idea of connection to God?

I'm concerned that what you wrote wasn't actually what you meant.  Forgive me for assuming that you didn't -mean- to claim that I could see god, for example....and I doubt you meant see in any sensible way.

Hard to know whether or not it's an interesting perspective unless we're clear on exactly what that perspective is.  Eh?  If you meant it...just as you typed it..it's not very interesting. Just insulting, and as such I don't care how it is you believe you came to such "truth". Peddle that tired horseshit to someone else.

If I have to love your divinely appointed king of the earth, and say some magic words to see god.... then the only way I'll see that god is if, by "god", you mean the darkest region of my own asshole.

(July 1, 2016 at 1:24 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(July 1, 2016 at 1:01 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why not a better response like:

"Interesting perspective, how can we come to the same perspective and know it to be true?"

Why is always hate towards the idea of connection to God?

I'm concerned that what you wrote wasn't actually what you meant.  Forgive me for assuming that you didn't -mean- to claim that I could see god, for example....and I doubt you meant see in any sensible way.

Hard to know whether or not it's an interesting perspective unless we're clear on exactly what that perspective is.  Eh?  If you meant it...just as you typed it..it's not very interesting.  Just insulting, and as such I don't care how it is you believe you came to such "truth".

I agree it is insulting and degrading, the idea we ought to see God but you aren't seeing it or recognizing what you see, but it's not my intention to insult you.

I can see stars. You can call them whatever you want.

Yes it is Mystic, but you can't even own that.....can you. Too far down the rabbit hole. It's not as if we haven't had this same discussion umpteen times.  LOL.

"You can see so and so"
-no I can't.
"Why do you hate god"
-wtf?
"Bow to Ali"
-nothx
"demons in your heart"
-doubtful

...round and round.

The thing is believers come to the view, there biggest honor and reward is their relationship with God. God becomes their best reward, their most valued treasure.

Atheists see believers attachment is to something they don't know is there, while believers take honor in how their souls had to strive and come towards knowledge.   How they awakened through love and desire towards their Lord.

Love makes them hold on to certainty in their vision, while those who disbelieve in God, hold on to doubts and don't rely on what they know for certain. They pay attention to doubts too much and override their knowledge, mainly, because of lack of resolve and love to serve and worship the Creator.

At the same time, the disbeliever in God dislikes the idea that believers have a honorable position higher, so is constantly attacking them. He dislikes the view believers see that disgrace lies in turning away from their Lord, the source of all greatness, praise, and that which is to be valued, because it degrades them in their view.

The believer can give in, and say, yes there is no honor in believing in God or disgrace from turning away from him and his path, but that goes against the love he understands the Creator is obligated to have.  His love forces him to see the evil in turning away from God's light and holy names and signs.

They both come out against one another.

So there is a constant battle for egos, while, the one who is certain, feels no thirst.