Well he shouldn't.
It doesn't take long to watch and the presenter is just so very, very lovely.

(July 15, 2016 at 10:27 pm)Little lunch Wrote: Well he shouldn't.
It doesn't take long to watch and the presenter is just so very, very lovely.

It doesn't agree with his racism, you see, so therefore it must be teh evullllz! As perpetuated by the zionistcommiebanksterrotschild cult scamming us out of all our money (sorry, I'm reading all about fotl scams like WeRe bank over at the quatloos.com forum).

Well, this is my take not necessarily on the BLM group but groups, religious affiliations and others like them. Since time began, or should I say, since everyone picked up a religious text to read and study, or watched their first soccer match in England, or have been brought up in a religion which has been divided according to different interpretations of the texts, people have always hated those who are different.

Having grown up in Manchester, I remember the days when we were bombed by the IRA, which was a Catholic terrorist group. I can understand their reasons as to why they dislike the English and Protestants in general. However, because of the split between the Catholics and protestants, there has always been hatred that has been passed down from generation on generation. The same thing can apply to racism too. If someone was brought into life with a racist father or racist mother or even both (the colour is irrelevant since all humans are capable of being racist), just like with religion, they will be brought up to agree with a racist ideology just as they would agree that Jesus was the son of God, or Noahs ark was built to same mankind from mass destruction.

The same can be said for those who live in unique communities i.e. black, Hispanic, Chinese, Vietnamian or Native American. Children are brought up to think only about the community, have respect for those of "their own kind", and be aware of those around you who are different. Hatred towards others is going to rife, hatred towards authority is going to be rife. Yet racial segregation by minorities has been done by choice nowadays, with communities who are alike staying together. There is nothing wrong with this attitude at all, since there are of course large English communities who have lived in Spain for decades and might possible not even speak the native language.

Ever since time began in the United States, all immigrants have faced problems on a large scale, and not necessarily the immigrants but native Americans. What about the Chinese who were treated as slaves, the Irish, the Italians, the Koreans and the Japanese? Weren't all these groups capable of being treated badly by the police, of course they were. They might have lived in tightknit communities, but they knew the difference between right and wrong.

Anyway, I have another question which is a two-part question. How many blacks have been killed by police and how many of those police were not white?

(July 10, 2016 at 7:56 am)A Theist Wrote: BLM is a radical and violent hate group that needs to be classified as such. They're nothing short of home grown terrorists and they're no different from the Klan, the Neo Nazis, and the New Black Panthers. Their chants of "What Do We Want? DEAD COPS!" and "Pigs In A Blanket! Fry 'em Like Bacon!" stokes the flames of hatred and instigates murder against our police officers. There's nothing peaceful about this radical and hatemongering group.

I think it would be far more apt to say that the BLM movement suffers from the same problem that any other movement can have. It can be used and abused by extremists. 

That said, and this is in general, I'm absolutely sickened of the way I'm seeing people -who would normally decry such things- rationalize and defend this insanity; whether it's shootings, violent mobs, or supremacist/racist propaganda. Supporting and understanding the movement is one thing, but I've been seeing a whole new madness lately and I just don't know what to think.

(July 17, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Bob Kelso Wrote:

(July 10, 2016 at 7:56 am)A Theist Wrote: BLM is a radical and violent hate group that needs to be classified as such. They're nothing short of home grown terrorists and they're no different from the Klan, the Neo Nazis, and the New Black Panthers. Their chants of "What Do We Want? DEAD COPS!" and "Pigs In A Blanket! Fry 'em Like Bacon!" stokes the flames of hatred and instigates murder against our police officers. There's nothing peaceful about this radical and hatemongering group.

I think it would be far more apt to say that the BLM movement suffers from the same problem that any other movement can have. It can be used and abused by extremists. 

That said, and this is in general, I'm absolutely sickened of the way I'm seeing people -who would normally decry such things- rationalize and defend this insanity; whether it's shootings, violent mobs, or supremacist/racist propaganda. Supporting and understanding the movement is one thing, but I've been seeing a whole new madness lately and I just don't know what to think.

In addition to that, it's hard to legitimize BLM. It has no centralized organization, no leadership, no platform, no spokespeople,...BLM is basically made up of disorganized mobs of violent radicals, anarchists, racists, and cop haters. They've agitated the murders of police officers. It's unbelievable how anyone can rationalize and defend this.

I'm finding it increasingly hard to disagree.

As a Brit looking in from the outside and with a basic understanding of the racial tensions in the USA, I have observed that BLM and the New Black Panther movement are becoming increasing synonymous.

I am not suggesting that these organisations are now mutually ingrained, but it would appear that certain splinter elements who use the BLM tag as a way of justifying their anger are using violence and intimidation with a worrying frequency.

What is a concern, and has ultimately been the result lately, is that BLM will be seen as being the 'legitimate' face of something like the New Black Panther movement.

That obviously isn't the case - and I'm not stupid enough to suggest that is actually true - but it allows and encourages that perception, and those who are looking for a way to point fingers will see what they want to see.

Ultimately, which could be expected, BLM have inadvertently caused more damage, division and anger, inflaming an already tense situation.

These, sadly, won't be the last deaths. In fact, I am worried that we're quite close to seeing something even more shocking in the next few weeks...

(July 18, 2016 at 3:33 am)The Viking Wrote: Ultimately, which could be expected, BLM have inadvertently caused more damage, division and anger, inflaming an already tense situation.

These, sadly, won't be the last deaths. In fact, I am worried that we're quite close to seeing something even more shocking in the next few weeks...

I sincerely hope that's not the case. But I have to say, in my 62 years, I've never seen anything quite like this, where radical mobs agitated the murdering of police officers.

(July 18, 2016 at 4:37 am)A Theist Wrote:

(July 18, 2016 at 3:33 am)The Viking Wrote: Ultimately, which could be expected, BLM have inadvertently caused more damage, division and anger, inflaming an already tense situation.

These, sadly, won't be the last deaths. In fact, I am worried that we're quite close to seeing something even more shocking in the next few weeks...

I sincerely hope that's not the case. But I have to say, in my 62 years, I've never seen anything quite like this, where radical mobs agitated the murdering of police officers.

Oh please sir explain what exactly black Americans should do? While we get murdered, and have our deaths justified because we weren't "respectful" enough, weren't "quiet" enough", we looked "suspicious". Please tell us exactly what we should do when men,women, and children are seen as threatening for breathing the same air in the vicinity of white people. What exactly should we do when the police are called because we walk about our own neighborhoods? What exactly should we do when anything in our hands could be construed as a weapon? What exactly should we do when so much as lifting our arms is "reaching for a weapon"? What exactly should we do when our children are seen as "older" and more "threatening", though they look no different than other children? What exactly should we do when we can't call for help in an emergency because the police may not see a person in need of help but a criminal? Oh please tell me exactly how should we air our grievances in ways the rest of America will not ignore or rationalize as "whining", "playing the race card", or "being distruptive"? I want here your suggestions.

(July 18, 2016 at 9:30 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote:

(July 18, 2016 at 4:37 am)A Theist Wrote: I sincerely hope that's not the case. But I have to say, in my 62 years, I've never seen anything quite like this, where radical mobs agitated the murdering of police officers.

Oh please sir explain what exactly black Americans should do? While we get murdered, and have our deaths justified because we weren't "respectful" enough, weren't "quiet" enough", we looked "suspicious". Please tell us exactly what we should do when men,women, and children are seen as threatening for breathing the same air in the vicinity of white people. What exactly should we do when the police are called because we walk about our own neighborhoods? What exactly should we do when anything in our hands could be construed as a weapon? What exactly should we do when so much as lifting our arms is "reaching for a weapon"? What exactly should we do when our children are seen as "older" and more "threatening", though they look no different than other children? What exactly should we do when we can't call for help in an emergency because the police may not see a person in need of help but a criminal? Oh please tell me exactly how should we air our grievances in ways the rest of America will not ignore or rationalize as "whining", "playing the race card", or "being distruptive"? I want here your suggestions.

Sadly, I don't have any suggestions about what to do. There isn't such a problem in the UK and I've obviously had no experience of that myself being a white male, but I have the greatest of sympathy for the current climate. Don't confuse that with pity; that's not at all what I am inferring.

But I know what I wouldn't do.

I wouldn't find and kill as many police officers as possible. I wouldn't campaign so belligerently against the police across the country so as to seemingly condone attacks on those forces. I wouldn't be throwing rebar and concrete blocks off of bridges onto police officers below. I wouldn't be making this a 'with us or against us' argument.

The divisions between races in American are now, sadly, an endemic and ingrained part of the cultural fabric.

The culture of violence that is now also rearing its head is going to present the perfect storm sooner or later. And for that, I do pity the US.

It's deeply upsetting to see how such a promising beacon of multiculturalism has become such a confused and angry place.

And, as I would hope you would understand, I meant no offence. Like I say, I have no understanding of what you go through.