(September 14, 2016 at 9:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

RobertE Wrote:Her coughing and falling was simply an act to make people forget about the huge error she made in generalising nearly half of the American population. It couldn't have been timed worse. It was so obvious. As for a vote for Clinton, she only cares about herself and her legacy. Just like Trump, she doesn't give a flying fuck about the people she represents but only what goes inside her pocket.

Half of Trump supporters isn't even close to half of the American population. It's more like a half of a half.

You're still being generous calling it 1/4 of the American population. You're forgetting the 74 million children, the millions of people who don't vote in elections, or support candidates other than the Democrats / Republicans. Also remember that only about 126 million people voted in the last election, out of a potential 219 million.

Half of Trump's supporters is still a a small fraction of the population.

Drich Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:SAYS he's unearthed some major skeletons. Assange seems to be becoming less reliable over time.

why because he is coming after people you like and telling us they are crooked?

He is bringing more emails. Emails she obliterated from her server, but he found them on the other ends.. They are vetting those email to assure they are authentic. If and when this all pans out. (like the DNC emails that showed that she rigged the system against Sanders with the Chairlady of the DNC) Assange claim these email will put her in prison.

I'm not voting for Clinton. I think Trump is much worse, but I'm not carrying water for her. If she's exposed as actually guilty of some serious crime, she shouldn't become our president. She's been 'about to be exposed' for decades, and the 'revelations' have always turned out to be underwhelming and seemingly fueled by a desire to keep throwing things at her until something sticks. I don't have much reason to think Assange's Russian hackers are going to come up with a legitimate silver bullet against her, and some reason to think Russian hackers probably unofficially sanctioned by Trump fan Putin can't be trusted not to alter the content of what they release.

Tiberius Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:Half of Trump supporters isn't even close to half of the American population. It's more like a half of a half.

You're still being generous calling it 1/4 of the American population. You're forgetting the 74 million children, the millions of people who don't vote in elections, or support candidates other than the Democrats / Republicans. Also remember that only about 126 million people voted in the last election, out of a potential 219 million.

Half of Trump's supporters is still a a small fraction of the population.

Good point. Maybe 13% or 14%?

She's pushing 70, and so it's perfectly normal that she isn't in amazing health.

The only criticism I have against her based on her health is merely the fact that it shows how power hungry she is. Here's this old lady who's health is declining and starting to fail her, and yet she's still fighting for the most powerful role you can possibly have in this country when she should be more concerned about taking care of herself.

None of this is to say Trump is a better choice though. I find them both equally unfit. I'll be voting 3rd party this year.

(September 14, 2016 at 11:02 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: She's pushing 70, and so it's perfectly normal that she isn't in amazing health.

The only criticism I have against her based on her health is merely the fact that it shows how power hungry she is. Here's this old lady who's health is declining and starting to fail her, and yet she's still fighting for the most powerful role you can possibly have in this country when she should be more concerned about taking care of herself.

None of this is to say Trump is a better choice though. I find them both equally unfit. I'll be voting 3rd party this year.

So nice to respond to a post from you, Cath_y.  The part I bolded reminds me of an exchange I had with the professor of a "Women in Film" course I took in college.  This was a while ago so when she said something regarding the presidency like "I don't see why they don't give women a chance given the puffed up egos of all the men candidates we've had", I was taken aback.  My point then was that the presidency isn't handed out on the basis of their humanity or merit.  Power is the kind of thing which must be seized with effort.  If it were handed out on the basis of humanity there would still be men in the running, they just wouldn't have been any of our past presidents.  Mahatma Ghandi would have qualified as much as Mother Teresa in that regard.

(September 14, 2016 at 8:00 am)Nymphadora Wrote:

(September 13, 2016 at 2:47 pm)RobertE Wrote: I have my own problems here, that is why I don't vote. I mean, a vote for Sarkozy is a vote for zero-tolerance. A vote for François Hollande is a vote for incomptence. I mean, when George Bush led Tony Blair astray like a lost dog, I see the same thing with Hollande. It was simply because the people who voted for Hollande were sheep.

Wait. You don't vote? Do you live in the US? Because if you do and you don't vote then you and everyone else who lives in this country and fails to vote, don't get to bitch and complain about how things are here if you aren't willing to stand up and vote to make your voice heard.

And I know - the excuse will be "well my vote won't count anyway." But it might if you did so by voting. So I don't even know why you are bitching in the first place when you're one of the ones who won'teven try.

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Just read my post again please. I have bolded all indices.

(September 14, 2016 at 10:15 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Good point. Maybe 13% or 14%?

That's a likely estimate in my opinion, but it still might be high if you're talking about "Trump supporters" versus "Republican supporters". I'm talking about the people who are voting Trump simply because they vote Republican.

(September 13, 2016 at 10:15 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(September 13, 2016 at 10:12 am)Drich Wrote: There is a huge gap between clinton's campaign efforts and Trumps.

There is a huge gap between Clinton and Trump in swing state polls too. Trump needs to campaign because at the moment if the election was held today he'd lose by almost 100 electoral college votes.

Then why is she sending surrogates in her stead?

Bill, Obama, Biden have all spoken on her behalf/in her stead at planned events she could not physically attend.

As it sits today (from a simple google search) Trump has the lead or trails by one or 2 points in most swing states

Does clinton not understand the moral learn for the story of the tortoise and the hare? Or is her health such a concern that it is become a rest or die thing? Why else abandon the campaign trail this close to the election if in fact her health was not a major concern?

(September 14, 2016 at 11:28 am)RobertE Wrote:

(September 14, 2016 at 8:00 am)Nymphadora Wrote: Wait. You don't vote? Do you live in the US? Because if you do and you don't vote then you and everyone else who lives in this country and fails to vote, don't get to bitch and complain about how things are here if you aren't willing to stand up and vote to make your voice heard.

And I know - the excuse will be "well my vote won't count anyway." But it might if you did so by voting. So I don't even know why you are bitching in the first place when you're one of the ones who won'teven try.

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Just read my post again please. I have bolded all indices.

You didn't answer my questions.

(September 14, 2016 at 8:00 am)Nymphadora Wrote: Wait. You don't vote? Do you live in the US?

No, to make things even funnier, he lives in France and has never set foot in America.

That he then has the temerity to make sweeping statements about Americans is all the funnier for it.