(September 24, 2016 at 6:38 pm)RobertE Wrote:

None of the creeps or the bleeds would survive this prison:

Weaksauce.

Why are you so obsessed with crisps and bloods? We have far more dangerous gangs over here, look up ms-13.

(September 24, 2016 at 6:58 pm)RobertE Wrote: In any case, all this is applicable to any race you can think of who live in the USA. If you don't like the answers people give you, then shut up about it.

Make you a deal. Stop spewing uninformed bullshit. In short, shut up about things you don't know the first thing about, and I follow suit.

And by the way. I posted a list with the highest murder rates in the world. You quoted posts I made after that. I can only assume you overlooked the particular post. Otherwise you would have told me by now why you singled out South Africa.

(September 24, 2016 at 7:02 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 6:58 pm)RobertE Wrote: In any case, all this is applicable to any race you can think of who live in the USA. If you don't like the answers people give you, then shut up about it.

Make you a deal. Stop spewing uninformed bullshit. In short, shut up about things you don't know the first thing about, and I follow suit.

And by the way. I posted a list with the highest murder rates in the world. You quoted posts I made after that. I can only assume you overlooked the particular post. Otherwise you would have told me by now why you singled out South Africa.

There are statistics that prove that immigrants are more successful in the USA than the blacks. If you don't like it, then tough. The situation is real, very real and wherever Asians go, they are always successful, in spite of the massive odds like language barriers and racism from either whites, blacks and other races. I like their work ethic. If the Americans adopted that work ethic, then they might be successful. I mean, in spite of what happened during WWII, but Germany and Japan are looking mighty fine at the moment.

(September 24, 2016 at 7:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 6:38 pm)RobertE Wrote:

None of the creeps or the bleeds would survive this prison:

Weaksauce.

Why are you so obsessed with crisps and bloods? We have far more dangerous gangs over here, look up ms-13.

Yes, you do, they are called "Democrat", and "Republican", politicians and also the NRA. All bent as butchers hook.

(September 24, 2016 at 7:12 pm)RobertE Wrote: There are statistics that prove that immigrants are more successful in the USA than the blacks.

Yeah, tough if I assume you singled out South Africa because of the Niggers there. I can't remember asking anything about American immigrants, so I feel totally free to go out on a tangent too. Apart from ... well ... African Americans not being immigrants. So compare them to white trash maybe? Don't know, but I don't feel like being PC today.

Abaris, can you please stop using that word? It's a horrible word, and while I mostly agree with you on this topic, it distracts me so much, I can't keep reading. I don't care if you don't feel like being PC; when you use that word, it detracts entirely from the points you seem to be trying to make.

(September 24, 2016 at 5:16 pm)Drich Wrote: You are right. but...
If this were just a matter of race then black cops would not be shooting black suspects. However it is black officers who shoot blacks suspects are a far greater ratio than white cops.

I don't think police brutality is only a matter of race. Blacks are certainly more likely to experience a negative outcome as a result of an interaction with an officer presenting with an authoritarian personality, but others can and do find themselves at the receiving end of police misconduct. Anyone with a lick of sense should be seriously disturbed by some these stories. It could happen to them.

Quote:Drich
Put all the numbers aside and if you were to go out and ride along with a cop or put on a badge yourself you would see why. It maybe wrong to say black people tend to fight cops more, but it is grounded in truth. If you were punched hit or kicked by a certain segment of the population almost everytime you had to confront them would you treat them any differently?

Truth is i would. Why? I am not a stupid person and I want to make sure I go home to my family every night, and if that means i make a mistake and offend a few people, then f-them. Better them to have hurt feelings then me be shot or worse!

Well, that's why you should stick to selling refrigerated trucks, instead of becoming a police officer. You have no business being one.

Quote:Thena wrote:
That has the potential to seriously affect an officer's ability to assess a situation and make judgement calls.  Particularly when combined with one or more of the following: General disdain for entire subgroup of people, an authoritarian personality, or an itchy trigger finger.

Quote:Drich
These are completely unfair assessments.
Did you know a psych eval is performed for all potential recruits and each and everytime an officer's integrity is questioned? some departments even have their guys checked out one a year...

I never said all officers display those those traits. Some of them do, though; They're the ones that are part of the problem.

Additionally, all police officers are not required to undergo psychological evaluations. And currently, there's no nationwide standardization in place for administration or content of such evaluations. It literally varies from department to department.

Quote:http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/29191...s-the-test

Because states regulate how municipal departments operate, typically by creating state commissions or academies to determine hiring and training standards, there is currently no national standard for how police recruit candidates, how they are psychologically evaluated, or even whether or not such evaluations should be mandatory.

Some states use vague language in their statutes, requiring only that a candidate must "be free of" any mental or emotional condition that may affect the candidates' ability to perform their job functions. In some cases, this determination is made through the background investigation process alone. In other cases, the commission and/or state statute says that a clinical physician will make such a determination as part of a required physical examination.

Quote:Drich
The problem here is the black community at large is raised to believe they must be alpha males all the time. The want to dominate and be in control, which is in direct violation of every cops mandate on the street. So rather than yield (like chris rock comically shows as a way to diffuse a tense situation) they confront as is the alpha male's job.. Which again the cop's job is to be one step ahead of the escalation process to which they will shoot you before you shoot them.

I would propose that's precisely the sort of attitude that lies at the heart of the problem, much of the time. Cops who think like you, who are too willing to make sweeping generalizations about an entire race, and generally unwilling to give people the privilege of simple consideration as a individual human being. The wildly prejudicial belief that "All Negroes need to be shown a firm hand" likely drives yours motives and actions whenever you interact with blacks. I get that you're "okay" with that.

But, having power over the life and death of others, isn't in your hands 12 to 16 hours a day, is it?

(September 24, 2016 at 7:29 pm)The_Empress Wrote: It's a horrible word, and while I mostly agree with you on this topic, it distracts me so much, I can't keep reading.

It is, isn't it? But I pretty much had it with people hiding behind not using that word if their every post oozes the desire to degrade people of color. So better call a spade a spade. I for one find it worse when someone wants to give themselves the air of being fair and balanced while doing the tap dance when being called out and asked why they singled out a particular country to make a moot point.

So, I rub it into their faces. Because that's what they'd like to say and what they feel, in every post they make on minorities. In fact, they actually say it. Maybe not using the word, which would be the honest approach, but in their choice of topics. Such as the - admittedly horrible - domestic, which probably wouldn't have made it into a thread if the perp hadn't been Nigerian. Otherwise we would be encouraged to discuss every domestic, and there are quite a lot. Horrible and less horrible. But if they are committed by red blooded and white colored males, they're not usually newsworthy for these fair and balanced persons.

(September 24, 2016 at 7:49 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(September 24, 2016 at 5:16 pm)Drich Wrote: You are right. but...
If this were just a matter of race then black cops would not be shooting black suspects. However it is black officers who shoot blacks suspects are a far greater ratio than white cops.

I don't think police brutality is only a matter of race. Blacks are certainly more likely to experience a negative outcome as a result of an interaction with an officer presenting with an authoritarian personality, but others can and do find themselves at the receiving end of police misconduct. Anyone with a lick of sense should be seriously disturbed by some these stories. It could happen to them.

I agree 100%. I respect law and order but The Man (meaning government and authority) must be kept in check! It's a very slippery slope. I've seen first hand what happens (in other countries) when police and governmental authorities are given free reign to do or not do as they please. It's imperative that we prevent that from happening here in the US.

(September 24, 2016 at 8:46 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: It's imperative that we prevent that from happening here in the US.

And yet it is already happening. In my opinion it's also got a lot to do with the very real possibility that everyone is packing. In Europe the police forces don't have to deal with that. They assume a person to be unarmed when they stop them in the streets. Unless they're advised differently.

It's the second amendment on speed and backfiring at the citizens.