(September 27, 2016 at 2:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Yes, because using your grandmother for an example as to why someone who is immortal might want to stop living makes a whole lot of sense.

Also I did ask you what your point was, read my last post again.


I actually did ask. Read my post again.

My participation in this branch of the discussion was kicked off by this comment of MrAgenda's:

(September 26, 2016 at 10:27 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: People already choose to die because they feel they've lived long enough already.

You'll notice that the noun in that sentence is "people". Now, you might not be aware of this, but generally speaking, people aren't immortal. This is why your commentary is irrelevant.

Perhaps next time you could follow a conversation so you know what the fuck you're talking about, instead of trying to score Internet Points™ and failing so publicly at it. I almost feel bad having to explain something like this to you.

(September 27, 2016 at 12:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 11:19 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: So we can be completely unconscious when we're heavily sedated, but the idea that we're not conscious when we're dead is mere speculation?

yes.

Quote:And I've been both heavily sedated (sufficient to have my chest sawed open without me noticing) and asleep, so I'm in a position to know that sleep is far from the same thing. Neither is clinical death, for that matter.

as far as closing your eyes and experiencing 'nothingness', sleep and "sedation" are not far from the same thing.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sedation

Quote:sedation
NOUN

1[MASS NOUN] The action of administering a sedative drug to produce a state of calm or sleep.

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(September 27, 2016 at 11:57 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Mine is based on scientific knowledge, yours on fiction.

Point me to this scientific knowledge that explains what happens after death.

I am merely talking about what we know about life and how it works. Consciousness is a property of a living things. Once your brain dies you can't experience anything - there's nothing to experience it with.

One way I've come to think about this question is what I call the "makes a difference but doesn't matter" perspective.  That is, much of what "makes a difference" (affects our lives, history, etc.) "doesn't matter" to the universe/reality.  Whether a person believes in a religion certainly does affect their lives - and often those around them to a greater extent than they might realize (especially if it entails raising kids in a religious context) - but, in the long run, I don't know that it will really matter.  Perhaps it "wouldn't matter" if a meteor wiped out all of humanity and every thing every human ever did.  But you don't have that.  You have your life.  And THAT makes a difference.

(September 27, 2016 at 12:16 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 2:30 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Yes, because using your grandmother for an example as to why someone who is immortal might want to stop living makes a whole lot of sense.

Also I did ask you what your point was, read my last post again.


I actually did ask. Read my post again.

My participation in this branch of the discussion was kicked off by this comment of MrAgenda's:

(September 26, 2016 at 10:27 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: People already choose to die because they feel they've lived long enough already.

You'll notice that the noun in that sentence is "people". Now, you might not be aware of this, but generally speaking, people aren't immortal. This is why your commentary is irrelevant.

Perhaps next time you could follow a conversation so you know what the fuck you're talking about, instead of trying to score Internet Points™ and failing so publicly at it. I almost feel bad having to explain something like this to you.

You clearly are showing your ignorance in not realizing that Mister Agenda was using his knowledge of "People", to assume how one who is immortal might act of feel. 
 
As I pointed out, this is nonsense,  the original scenario was about immortals not regular "people", steering the conversation how an old person stricken with cancer chose to end their life, is totally irrelevant to the point. 

If I cared any about internet points, I'd join the atheist camp and stick my nose up the nearest atheist backside for a kudos...

(September 27, 2016 at 12:30 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 12:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: yes.


as far as closing your eyes and experiencing 'nothingness', sleep and "sedation" are not far from the same thing.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sedation

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Point me to this scientific knowledge that explains what happens after death.

I am merely talking about what we know about life and how it works. Consciousness is a property of a living things. Once your brain dies you can't experience anything - there's nothing to experience it with.

*emphasis mine*
I can prove that wrong easily buddy.

(September 27, 2016 at 12:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 12:30 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I am merely talking about what we know about life and how it works. Consciousness is a property of a living things. Once your brain dies you can't experience anything - there's nothing to experience it with.

*emphasis mine*
I can prove that wrong easily buddy.

That'd be quite the scientific breakthrough.

(September 27, 2016 at 12:45 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 12:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: *emphasis mine*
I can prove that wrong easily buddy.

That'd be quite the scientific breakthrough.

The fact that people experience things while their brain dead happens quite frequently...

(September 27, 2016 at 12:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 12:45 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That'd be quite the scientific breakthrough.

The fact that people experience things while their brain dead happens quite frequently...

I think you have a misunderstanding of what 'dead' means, then.

(September 27, 2016 at 12:49 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 12:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The fact that people experience things while their brain dead happens quite frequently...

I think you have a misunderstanding of what 'dead' means, then.

The term brain death was used, not 'death'.

brain death has a clear medical definition.

(September 27, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 12:49 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I think you have a misunderstanding of what 'dead' means, then.

The term brain death was used, not 'death'.

brain death has a clear medical definition.

I'll let you copy and paste that definition then.  Because that's what I'm talking about.