(October 3, 2016 at 3:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Even the hillary supporters would be more accurately coined "anti-trump campaigners", by and large.  Find me someone, anyone, who thinks that either of these two candidates is the best of the best, the optimal choice in a see of potential?  I'll wait, lol. 

One of my FB friends does, but I think that's largely because she originally hails from Arkansas, so there's more than a bit of home state pride at play there.

I think it's also important to note that the same applies to Trump.  My brothers are Republican.  They strongly believe in the stated party platform (smaller government, mostly... even though the GOP hasn't been the party of smaller government for 30+ years, but whatever).  They don't like Trump, but he obstensibly fits from an ideological POV, so they're going to vote for him despite how awful he is.

I think that's dumb, of course, but they're anti-liberal to the point of irrationality.

Regarding the course of this thread, am I the only one who thinks "law and order" is merely a dog whistle term actually meaning "put those uppity blacks back in their place?"

Nope. IDK if it's much of a dog whistle anymore, though, with the alt right openly screeching for a return to it.

This John Oliver segment explains it quite well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaD84DTGULo

(October 3, 2016 at 3:59 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Regarding the course of this thread, am I the only one who thinks "law and order" is merely a dog whistle term actually meaning "put those uppity blacks back in their place?"

It means put all these uppity Helots back in their place. Blacks and other minorities only got the ass end of the ass end, since they're frequently used to present scapegoats to other folks to distract them of what's going on on top of the mountain.

(September 29, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(September 28, 2016 at 1:10 pm)Drich Wrote: When do you live in the late 90s?
Seriously, that lady cop who shot the pcp guy has been arrested and is charged with manslaughter. If their was a blue wall of silence, how then how is this lady cop in jail before the rioters can even be bussed to Colorado?

Video evidence.

me: When do you live?

you: Video evidence...

Me: Seriously, that lady cop who shot the pcp guy has been arrested and is charged with manslaughter. If their was a blue wall of silence, how then how is this lady cop in jail before the rioters can even be bussed to Colorado?

Quote:But if you need a link I'll see what I can find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-jdLhnxY7c

The MMPI-2 seems to be the gold standard:
http://www.copuniversity.com/blog/what-mmpi-test/
Your article also mentions the MMPI-2

What is the MMPI-2
http://occmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/59/2/135.full

Do you need me to keep going? You've got two list that say nearly all law enforcement uses psych evalus/testing to determine mental fitness of a candidate, and you have a link showing how in depth this test is by a reputable source. (meaning a well establish learning institution gives an exact break down of the test and an endorsement, verse a liberal rag telling you it's obsolete test.)

That's not what we were discussing. I will "cop" to making a error, in failing in to note that you were simply referring to testing in your post above, when were actually speaking of psychological evaluation. Our previous exchange below:

Quote:Drich wrote:These are completely unfair assessments.
Did you know a psych eval is performed for all potential recruits and each and everytime an officer's integrity is questioned? some departments even have their guys checked out one a year...

Quote:Thena wrote:
I never said all officers display those those traits. Some of them do, though; They're the ones that are part of the problem.

Additionally, all police officers are not required to undergo psychological evaluations. And currently, there's no nationwide standardization in place for administration or content of such evaluations. It literally varies from department to department.

The MMPI-2 is just a personality test. It's a single tool can be utilized in conjunction others in the process of psychological assessment/evaluation, not a psychological evaluation in and of itself.  My statement just above is accurate. 

Ahhhh, here it is.. You think the MMPI-2 is a personality test... You didn't read how the Oxford journal Identifies the test.. Why would you when by a simply dismissal you think you have the upper hand in the argument. Here's the problem.. The oxford Journal of medicine does not agree with your trivial assessment. Here is some of what you pver looked in the link I provided (THAT YOU ASKED FOR)

The test developers Hathaway and McKinley used an empirical test construction technique to develop the MMPI. This involved basing the test scales (for example the hypochondriasis scale) on the actual test items that differentiate people with hypochondriasis from ‘normals’. Often, the questions that do this most reliably are not concerned with health issues as such. This has two advantages. First, it makes it very difficult for subjects to ‘fake’ responses, deny problems or give a particular impression. Second, the MMPI-2 is based on empirical research and not on a clinician's assumptions about what answers indicate particular personality traits....

....The MMPI-2 was validated using a normative sample of 2600 adults. There are ∼10 000 published papers using the MMPI-2 and this pool is added to by hundreds of papers every year. A symptom validity scale (FBS) has been added to the inventory in recent years to help exclude symptom exaggeration and has been reported as having very low false-positive rates.

The data from MMPI-2 assessments are particularly useful in occupational health settings in complex presentations where doubt as to what is really wrong with the patient exists. For example, the MMPI-2 should normally be able to detect unconsciously somatizing or consciously malingering in patients [1]. The MMPI-2 can also be used to assess psychological stability in workers in ‘high-risk’ professions such as airline pilots, police or workers in the nuclear power industry [2–4].

Seem to me This test according to the Oxford Journal of Medicine identifies this test as the gold standard to determining one's physiological well being, and not just a personality test as you have identified...

So looks like someone has some "copping" to do... As this is indeed considered a Psych Eval...
Taken from the second sentence if you need it spelled out for you:
"It is the most widely used psychometric test for measuring adult psychopathology in the world."
(If you think you can argue this then please look up the words "psychometric & psychopathology" before you argue the point I am making)

Quote:Drich wrote:
The problem here is the black community at large is raised to believe they must be alpha males all the time. The want to dominate and be in control, which is in direct violation of every cops mandate on the street. 

And....

Quote:Drich wrote:
If you were punched hit or kicked by a certain segment of the population almost everytime you had to confront them would you treat them any differently?
Truth is i would. Why? I am not a stupid person and I want to make sure I go home to my family every night, and if that means i make a mistake and offend a few people, then f-them.

Quote:Thena wrote:

*My highlighting, for emphasis.

Clearly, you felt that it was unfair for me conclude that it's LIKELY you deem it necessary to adopt a tough, zero-tolerance policy when dealing with "the Negroes". I don't know what to say, other than your words were my guide.

Quote:Drich
If they were then why aren't they in their proper context? Why did you have to heavily edit my words to fabricate a point? If what I said was on the surface, and you are accurately representing what I said, then why not establish the context in which those words were spoken? Why do you hide from the context, why did you omit 1/2 the argument that frames what I said? and only cut up and display the parts of my response then pair it with another cut up quote and display them together???

Quote:It's called "quoting", crybaby. 

No Quoting refers to providing contextual context inorder to determine what the author's original intention is.

You were quoting out of context. this is akin to cut and pasting random thoughts together so you can frame out a narrative that is not consistent with the authors thoughts.

How broken must your arguement be if you have to cut and paste my words to gether to villify me? If what I am saying is wrong then why can you use my contextual arguement in it's entireity? When I quote you I quote everything why? because everything you say is broken. I want to make sure you understand that I am addressing everything you have to say. I don't have to cut and paste your work together to make you wrong or to frame you out to be wicked... You are on your own. You want the independence to fight law and order if you are a certain color/race. that makes you against the melting pot society we are in favor of up holding and up lifting people with certain skin pigmentation. So again, I quote everything you have to say about that because there is nothing redeemable here. Nothing of that is good. I don't change your words or what you mean just to make you look bad. Which is the wicked thing you did to me. (look up the word wicked if you think you can argue my use of that word)
 

Quote:Just because I didn't quote the length your entire post (yes...they were from the exact same post), doesn't mean that your words taken out of context. The subject of those quotes from post #258, were the practice of pre-determining behavior, and why you believe police officers are justified in applying sweeping generalizations in treating all black males as threats; all in line with the topic at hand. What you actually take issue with, is the ugliness that stands out as result of my highlighting your most blatantly despicable comments. If you don't "like" the way truth looks, then drop the phony outrage and do something about it: Take it up with your conscience.

No my words were not about predetermining behavior.


BTW: I'm putting the rest of my reply to this crap in a separate post, in order to make it more manageable to read/respond to.
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Again, My comment made was about numbers. In that black men are arrested and convicted of more violent crime than any other segment of the population. So again given this fact, the numbers of violent take downs by cops is going to be higher. Not because they are black but because that is simply the nature of violent crime.
Getting arrest for fighting... then more than likely 'fighting' is your goto tool in your tool box. So when the police confront, someone who's go to 'tool' is to fight then it is not likely that compliance is high on his list of things to do.



Now back to how I prefaced the quote you cut out of context:

258 Wrote:If this were just a matter of race then black cops would not be shooting black suspects. However it is black officers who shoot blacks suspects are a far greater ratio than white cops.

Now if this is about race, then why do black cops shoot more black suspects at a higher percentage than white cops?

If this is about coming to a conclusion of how a black man will act during an arrest prompting an over reaction by police (suggesting that race is the Only Trigger to hash treatment of black men) then why do black officers shoot and kill black men at a higher percentage than white officers?

Here's a thought... maybe what I was saying about the culture pushing black men to be alphas in ever situation antagonizes a very unstable situation, and rather than work with the officer to De-escalate the situation, the primary objective is to control the situation... which almost always results in someone getting beaten by cops or shot by them...

Theena..
Seriously when did society make it OK to fight a cop... that is what you are arguing. You/The men in whom you rally behind think they should forgo due process and true justice so they can do what they will when they will it.

When did it become immoral to you to yield to authority society places in police officers??

(September 29, 2016 at 6:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(September 28, 2016 at 5:19 pm)Drich Wrote: As any good military man will tell you their responsibilities are: God, Country, Family in that order.

Mine are no different. and I would die defending this country from any domestic threats, even if that means i am in a fox hole next to you. (even though by then you'd be a brother as there are no atheists in fox holes )

Having never enlisted, you don't know jack-shit about military service. And if you ain't got the balls to enlist, you shouldn't be bragging about having the balls to get into a foxhole.

What a friggen moron stoner...

Dude. "no atheists in fox holes" was the start of our (yours and mine) last big blow out argument. or can't you remember?? You started that argument with the same self righteous "I was a fuel-ie with a fire extinguisher"/fireman and posted a pic of you in the rear with the gear fruit salad on your dress jacket, to show how much better you were than me.. (Glory steal much???)

I only said any of that to see if you'd remember...

Quote:The video, which you can see for yourself below, shows Dylan Noble — a 20-year-old white man — repeatedly ignoring officers’ demands that he stop moving back and forth at a gas station parking lot and show his hands before officers fired their weapons.

[Emphasis added -- Thump]

How many chances does a black guy get?

That's right ... about ten seconds, and then call the meat-wagon.

ETA: Looking back at the video, it seems this guy was given from about 2:20 (start time) to 4:06 -- 1:46 to comply with orders.

RobertE, why do you think there's such a disparity in compliance demands? Are white people safer? Are police racist?

Speak your mind about the video you posted, and explain why it shows white people getting more tolerance.

(October 3, 2016 at 5:17 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 29, 2016 at 6:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Having never enlisted, you don't know jack-shit about military service. And if you ain't got the balls to enlist, you shouldn't be bragging about having the balls to get into a foxhole.

What a friggen moron stoner...

Dude. "no atheists in fox holes" was the start of our (yours and mine) last big blow out argument. or can't you remember?? You started that argument with the same self righteous "I was a fuel-ie with a fire extinguisher"/fireman and posted a pic of you in the rear with the gear fruit salad on your dress jacket, to show how much better you were than me.. (Glory steal much???)

I only said any of that to see if you'd remember...

lol, firstly, I don't smoke out at all, dumbfuck. Second of all, here's my bona fides, in the form of my DD-214. You'll notice the Honorable Discharge, something you've not earned, and you'll also notice my AFSC, 57150 -- which back in the day was the code for my job:



You can call me this, that, or the other all you want, but the fact is you preferred to earn money rather than sign up ... and yet you'll sit here and criticize me.

Hey, if you want me to dig up the PMs, I might find the time next Thursday ... but I bet you'll look worse than you do right now. Is that something you want?

While you're at it, maybe you can post your honorable discharge? Or perhaps your specialty? Or maybe you'll do what you did in PMs, and cite some "uncle's" experience?

Because there was no DD-214 in your PMs, and no understanding of the old AFSC codes, either.

Finally, I don't know that you're qualified at all to speak about the feelings of anyone in a life-or-death situation, because so far as I know, you're some bumpkin in Floriduh who hasn't faced anything scarier than a banana spider. So, by all means, tell us what you've experienced, in a foxhole or a burning building, a robbery or car crash, and let the audience be the judge of your character.

I mean, you thought making a bunch of money was better than risking your ass in uniform, according to one of your PMs. I can't imagine you're a very impressive person, and the only reason why this reply is this lengthy is that dipshits like you deserve a smackdown.

Me, I wouldn't piss on your face if your nose was on fire.

(October 2, 2016 at 7:22 am)abaris Wrote: There's a high responsibility coming with that job and only the ones being able to handle that kind of responsibility should be admitted into the ranks.

Exactly. You will be held to a higher standard as a policeman because you wield the power of life and death.

Seems clear to me that too many jurisdictions in my country care more about having warm bodies in uniform to fill out a patrol schedule than they do about having policemen trained to de-escalate rather than reach for a Taser or gun.