Jesster Says:

Learn to fucking quote properly

(October 28, 2016 at 11:56 pm)Mariosep Wrote: I continue all the time repeatedly as to wear out the temper of our dear fellow humans here who are atheists, I continue with telling atheists here that we will go forth into objective reality to search for all instances of causation, which all are concrete evidence of the existence of an entity in objective reality corresponding to the concept of God, namely, in concept, first and foremost the creator, understand that as cause, and the operator, understand as cause, of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, let you and me, let us recall that our parents caused us to come into existence and life, by their love-making.

That is one instance of causation, and God is the first and ultimate cause of all intermediary causes; think about that, with your reason and intelligence grounded on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

Parents , Yes. All the more reason to believe in multiple gods as the source of creation. The love making of the gods is what brought all this into existence.

(October 28, 2016 at 5:48 am)Mariosep Wrote: Dear Mathilda, I don't change any font or font size, what I do is to copy and paste what I have written in the quick reply edit box at the end of a page, into Ms Word, to correct spelling, then return it to the Atheistforums edit box, next have a preview, if everything is all right in the preview, I click on the post link.

Sorry, about having to read what I think are called Ascii characters.

I will try to figure out how to use MyBB as to make my post the best it can be in MyBB.

Thanks for your feedback, appreciate it.

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Post in At-forums as it appears on my computer screen.

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Post in At-forums as it appears on my computer screen.
What about now?

Yes, thanks a lot I will take time and labor to master the formatting method of MyBB in AtheistForums.org.






That is the snapshot above, hope you can see it as an image, by snapscreen.


Best regards, oh ye atheists.

Mariosep, I see you still have not shown how your argument isn't the discredited and utterly useless god of the gaps argument. Until you actually take the time and effort to read and understand (and if possible, refute) the counterarguments, nobody will take you seriously, beacause all you are doing is talking to yourself like a homeless nutter (no offence, Homeless Nutter).

Primordial says or asks (#299):

"Hmmm...what if ancient civilizations created the idea of God, or any deity, in order to explain the natural world because they lacked the tools and/or expertise to do it correctly, and accurately?"


No, they did not create the idea of God, but they thought on truths, facts, logic, and their then history of ideas, as well as they knew of their world, and by their reason and intelligence came to the conclusion that God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of their universe then, and man, and everything with a beginning.

You see, dear atheist colleagues, you always conflate God with religion, but God if you are thinking without anger and hate and spite and all negative and destructive unruly passions, you will know that God is greater nth times than religion.

Now, religions are thought up by enterprising persons who although in good faith still they love to control other folks who are not as sharp as they are, and what more effective and most economical way of controlling other fellow humans who don't have the time and patience to think things out for themselves, than that they these enterprising persons tell fellow humans that only their teachings about God and what God wants them to do and to not do are to be taken seriously, else God will be unhappy with them.

That is why I call myself a liberal protestant because I don't ascribe to any organized church with professional clergymen who live on and by and from and through us, in most cases comfortably and honorably.

I am a Christian by choice today, and in particular because I DO see the usefulness of a religion and church workers for a lot of social rites of passage and other things in society, which these folks provide conveniently - but in the core, I can do by myself any religion I care to work out by myself for myself: YET it is very convenient and practical to have these religion and church professionals around.

But I decide what to take to be truths, facts, logic, and what in the history of ideas I will adhere to, and what I will practice in interacting with God, starting with telling God:

"God, You are in concept first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, all hail to You!"


What I do for a religion is my own DIY religion that is of course predominantly Christian in orientation, and why not?

Have you ever noticed that Christianity has 2000 years of humanities, which improved the life of humans better than any other religions in the world. even factoring in all the evils of the Christian churches and professional workers?

So, atheists thought that with breaking away from and against what I call Christendom, things will be better for mankind in the West and also in the East, what is the consequence?

Two World Wars, spawning the cruelty and enormity of loss of lives and destruction of the monuments of civilization and culture, never before witnessed in man's history since the dawn of consciousness and use of reason.

So, dear atheist colleagues, take away from God your hate, and spite and ignoble anger arising from fear, and address yourselves to the men who found and operate churches, to convince them to do a better and nobler work with their zeal to bring mankind to better and better standards of life and common attachment to each other from genuine love and care for all.

Do you ever take notice that I keep mentioning the phrase first and foremost, in my concept of God, namely, God in concept is FIRST AND FOREMOST the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

Because if God is not first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, I will be the first one to do without Him, to snub Him even.


And no, I do not care to bring you to God, but I have this peculiar to myself intellectual addiction to find delight with examining how you atheists do not think at all on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, do not dwell on reason and intelligence, but all the time you impassionate - that is the word I form with adding the prefix im and the suffix ate, this is the second time I am using the word impassionate, it is the diametrically opposite of ratiocinate

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form judgments by a process of logic; reason.

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So, dear atheist colleagues, let us continue to exchange thoughts, grounding ourselves on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, with our reason and intelligence. all and always ratiocinating and nothing of impassionating.

(October 29, 2016 at 6:59 am)Mariosep Wrote: Primordial says or asks (#299):

"Hmmm...what if ancient civilizations created the idea of God, or any deity, in order to explain the natural world because they lacked the tools and/or expertise to do it correctly, and accurately?"


No, they did not create the idea of God, but they thought on truths, facts, logic, and their then history of ideas, as well as they knew of their world, and by their reason and intelligence came to the conclusion that God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of their universe then, and man, and everything with a beginning.

You see, dear atheist colleagues, you always conflate God with religion, but God if you are thinking without anger and hate and spite and all negative and destructive unruly passions, you will know that God is greater nth times than religion.

Now, religions are thought up by enterprising persons who although in good faith still they love to control other folks who are not as sharp as they are, and what more effective and most economical way of controlling other fellow humans who don't have the time and patience to think things out for themselves, than that they these enterprising persons tell fellow humans that only their teachings about God and what God wants them to do and to not do are to be taken seriously, else God will be unhappy with them.

That is why I call myself a liberal protestant because I don't ascribe to any organized church with professional clergymen who live on and by and from and through us, in most cases comfortably and honorably.

I am a Christian by choice today, and in particular because I DO see the usefulness of a religion and church workers for a lot of social rites of passage and other things in society, which these folks provide conveniently - but in the core, I can do by myself any religion I care to work out by myself for myself: YET it is very convenient and practical to have these religion and church professionals around.

But I decide what to take to be truths, facts, logic, and what in the history of ideas I will adhere to, and what I will practice in interacting with God, starting with telling God:

"God, You are in concept first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, all hail to You!"


What I do for a religion is my own DIY religion that is of course predominantly Christian in orientation, and why not?

Have you ever noticed that Christianity has 2000 years of humanities, which improved the life of humans better than any other religions in the world. even factoring in all the evils of the Christian churches and professional workers?

So, atheists thought that with breaking away from and against what I call Christendom, things will be better for mankind in the West and also in the East, what is the consequence?

Two World Wars, spawning the cruelty and enormity of loss of lives and destruction of the monuments of civilization and culture, never before witnessed in man's history since the dawn of consciousness and use of reason.

So, dear atheist colleagues, take away from God your hate, and spite and ignoble anger arising from fear, and address yourselves to the men who found and operate churches, to convince them to do a better and nobler work with their zeal to bring mankind to better and better standards of life and common attachment to each other from genuine love and care for all.

Do you ever take notice that I keep mentioning the phrase first and foremost, in my concept of God, namely, God in concept is FIRST AND FOREMOST the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

Because if God is not first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, I will be the first one to do without Him, to snub Him even.


And no, I do not care to bring you to God, but I have this peculiar to myself intellectual addiction to find delight with examining how you atheists do not think at all on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, do not dwell on reason and intelligence, but all the time you impassionate - that is the word I form with adding the prefix im and the suffix ate, this is the second time I am using the word impassionate, it is the diametrically opposite of ratiocinate

________________

Google: ratiocinate
https://www.google.com/search?q=ratiocin...8ge0xZG4Bg

About 45,700 results (0.40 seconds)

Search Results

ra·ti·oc·i·nate
ˌratēˈōsəˌnāt,ˌraSHē-/
verb formal

verb: ratiocinate; 3rd person present: ratiocinates; past tense: ratiocinated; past participle: ratiocinated; gerund or present participle: ratiocinating

   form judgments by a process of logic; reason.

origin
mid 17th century: from Latin ratiocinat- ‘deliberated, calculated,’ from the verb ratiocinari, from ratio (see ratio).
Translate ratiocinate to

Use over time for: ratiocinate

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So, dear atheist colleagues, let us continue to exchange thoughts, grounding ourselves on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, with our reason and intelligence. all and always ratiocinating and nothing of impassionating.

bold mine

Wow, you said it again and again and again. With every time those words gain more weight and worth. Keep it up. I'm sure you're winning us over.

Come on, say it again. Please!

echolalia

(October 29, 2016 at 6:59 am)Mariosep Wrote: Primordial says or asks (#299):

"Hmmm...what if ancient civilizations created the idea of God, or any deity, in order to explain the natural world because they lacked the tools and/or expertise to do it correctly, and accurately?"


No, they did not create the idea of God, but they thought on truths, facts, logic, and their then history of ideas, as well as they knew of their world, and by their reason and intelligence came to the conclusion that God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of their universe then, and man, and everything with a beginning.

Yes, because they had no other method of explaining the world around them, and why they were there. We do now, though, so gods are no longer required.

(October 29, 2016 at 6:59 am)Mariosep Wrote: Do you ever take notice that I keep mentioning the phrase first and foremost, in my concept of God, namely, God in concept is FIRST AND FOREMOST the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

Nope, I hadn't noticed it...

So, what you're saying is that after thousands upon thousands of years since gods were created, all you have is a concept in your mind, faulty logic, and no real evidence? Why is that?

(October 29, 2016 at 4:34 am)robvalue Wrote: What is it that makes theists such as this so uncomfortable with people disagreeing with them?

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.  

(October 28, 2016 at 7:32 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Pocaracas (#271) says: "Hello Mariosep.  I'm an atheist and I too have a concept of what it is that supports god belief..."


From my part it is not a belief except with religions, it is for me founded on evidence and the process arrived at is thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

See the PO, click on page 1, it will come up; my proof is based on evidence, step by step, with thinkibg on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

yeah... yeah... your "proof"... I addressed it on page one, post #10... here's a quick link to it: https://atheistforums.org/thread-45866-p...pid1424351

I don't remember seeing you remotely talking about what I wrote there... so long ago... so, have at it. I'm waiting...
Remember, click where it says "Reply", right under my post, and write your reply under the part that shows up automatically, so I know you're talking to me.

Mario, when including other people's words in your own posts, please use the [Reply] button as you have been instructed to do many times. Not only will it make your posts easier to follow, it creates a citation callback link to the quoted post in the form of a green arrow. Further, it reduces the possibility of your misquoting people.

(October 29, 2016 at 11:05 am)Stimbo Wrote: Mario, when including other people's words in your own posts, please use the [Reply] button as you have been instructed to do many times. Not only will it make your posts easier to follow, it creates a citation callback link to the quoted post in the form of a green arrow. Further, it reduces the possibility of your misquoting people.

He's got as much interest in quoting properly as he does in representing atheism properly.