(January 21, 2017 at 2:31 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Still mysterious is the attention, at whatever level, cast upon the gays, and the difference from that cast upon the divorced and remarried.

The attention is born out a sense of guilt over an attraction. I really do believe that the ones bawling the loudest over gay people are also the ones that should partake in a Gay Pride Parade to losen up. It's nothing empirical, of course, but more than once one of these anti gay preachers have been caught with their rent- or loverboys. One even was taken off the streets after offering a 50 to a random guy for a blowjob.

(January 21, 2017 at 2:49 pm)abaris Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 2:31 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Still mysterious is the attention, at whatever level, cast upon the gays, and the difference from that cast upon the divorced and remarried.

The attention is born out a sense of guilt over an attraction. I really do believe that the ones bawling the loudest over gay people are also the ones that should partake in a Gay Pride Parade to losen up. It's nothing empirical, of course, but more than once one of these anti gay preachers have been caught with their rent- or loverboys. One even was taken off the streets after offering a 50 to a random guy for a blowjob.

Some comes from those ppl, but I'd also say a lot comes from perfectly straight ppl who are consumed by pride. And since homosexual sin is a sin they personally have never and will never struggle with, they are free to go all out in condemning that sin specidically. It gives them a sense of superiority.

and God will note their super duper piety about the homos, and maybe He will give them a pass on their own adultery ?

@OP Q, becsause a non-trivial number of christians are queer as a three dollar bill.  /end

(January 21, 2017 at 3:08 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: and God will note their super duper piety about the homos, and maybe He will give them a pass on their own adultery ?

Perhaps it makes them feel better about their own sexual sins.

(January 21, 2017 at 3:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Some comes from those ppl, but I'd also say a lot comes from perfectly straight ppl who are consumed by pride.

They usually don't obsess over sex. If someone goes to lenghts painting a picture of gay sex, I'm pretty sure, they're passionate over the topic.

It's all too silly for my hard headed self. I mean... why would any intelligent adult worship a dude who cares so much about what you do with your dick or vagina? Really. There you have it. A powerful god with riches, servants, knowledge, anything he could ever want... and he would be so fucking offended if a dick goes up an ass or a tongue plays with a vagina. Oh no! His majesty is threatened! How could they!? Insanity, I tell you. To believe that is just crazy if you're old enough to reason.

(January 21, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: The fight if any is to maintain the homosexual sin status so that any struggling homosexual can still find a place with their God if they so choose to have it. Removing said sin status dooms the individual to Hell no matter what they feel of God internally.

Ironically one could point out that the the one fighting to keep Homosexuality a sin, care more for the sinner than those who would allow this sin or any to go without acknowledging it's sin status.

See... there's no such place called 'hell', your make believe God is the only thing that allows you to justify oppressing these people.  And as long as your make believe sky monster does that.... really there's no good reason for Atheists to let up against these Sky Monsters.

(January 21, 2017 at 2:41 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: ~ half the married people divorce, and the vast majority of them remarry.

Why aren't they struggling with the salvific aspects of their adultery ?

Because if you break what Jesus says down, He commands that "unless people divorce to marital unfaithfulness" and they divorce and remarry they will be committing adultry.

Unfaithful to the marriage means unfaithful to our vows/The marriage vows we take inorder to be united before God. Vows plural not vow singular.

Meaning all of our vows, love (not feeling/duty) honor, obey, yadda yadda yadda.. Not just the adultery bit. there is more to being married than just not sleeping around.

Back in Jesus' Day men would marry as a way of sleeping around. They would marry and then quickly divorce citing they way she cooks or keeps a house. Or any trivial little thing. Jesus by telling men they must remain married unless she breaks one of her Vows was a harsh spit in the eye of the religious establishment who permitted these nonsense divorces.

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(January 21, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Aroura Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 12:40 pm)Mermaid Wrote: And there we go. You Christians sure are obsessed with where people put their dicks. Why would you care this much?

Right?  
It also doesn't explain WHY they consider any of this a sin.

Because the bible says so???

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(January 21, 2017 at 10:58 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote: The fight if any is to maintain the homosexual sin status so that any struggling homosexual can still find a place with their God if they so choose to have it. Removing said sin status dooms the individual to Hell no matter what they feel of God internally.

Ironically one could point out that the the one fighting to keep Homosexuality a sin, care more for the sinner than those who would allow this sin or any to go without acknowledging it's sin status.

See... there's no such place called 'hell', your make believe God is the only thing that allows you to justify oppressing these people.  And as long as your make believe sky monster does that.... really there's no good reason for Atheists to let up against these Sky Monsters.

So... let me understand what you are saying again what I just said..

I said:
If a gay person wants to believe what I do, they are always welcome to do so. all they must do is identify their sexual sins like I identify my sexual sins, and all is forgiven. They like me will have the same standing before God as I do if not maybe alittle more, depending on their work and life.

You said:
"My beliefs are my only justification for hating people..." (Ok, but to me it seem like I was exending a way for us to be equal or for me to even take a lessor role in the after life/before God than a gay person)

"So long as your 'sky monster' does that Atheists should have the freedom to remove all tolerant and civil behavior from their interactions with Christians."
(Effectively make you the person you think I am)

Question: how does your hypocrisy not cause/demand you to spontaneously combust?

It's not about Christianity so much, as it is about conservatism, Christianity is just one of the ad hoc justifications. Fifty years ago, gayness was unacceptable. Any implication that you might be gay was considered an insult. It was unquestionably wrong, you were raised to believe it and everyone around you took it for granted.

Now that's changed, and it makes a lot of the people who were raised that way uncomfortable and squicky-feeling. They just want things to go back to the way they were. And there are a couple of Bible verses they can use to make out like it's not about their personal 'ick factor'. And if they're repressing sexual feelings for their own sex, they'll be even more uncomfortable with society not backing up their efforts to repress their nature.

There's no Biblical reason that homosexuality should be worse than remarrying after divorce when the divorce was on other grounds than adultery. Jesus DID have something to say about that.