The only thing you've proven here is that Islam is full of more shit than I'd previously thought.

(March 22, 2017 at 12:30 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I wrote in a way, you can stop early and religion is already proven. For example, you can go 1-3, and that would be enough to prove Islam.

The existence of Islam as a human-invented religious cult was never in question.  We know that Islam exists.

You have failed to demonstrate that it is anything more than mythological wittering.

(March 22, 2017 at 12:30 am)MysticKnight Wrote: There are plenty of threads discussing proofs of God.

This about proof of Islam.

No. This topic is to preach about "Shia Islam".
Please, be more obvious.

(March 22, 2017 at 12:30 am)MysticKnight Wrote: There are plenty of threads discussing proofs of God.

This about proof of Islam.

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(March 21, 2017 at 10:17 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That ain't simple -- that's a Wall o' Bullshit.

Here's a clue: if it's got more than twenty words or two paragraphs, it's not simple.

Rewrite (remember, 2nd draft = 1st draft minus at least 10%!) and resubmit.

I wrote in a way, you can stop early and religion is already proven. For example, you can go 1-3, and that would be enough to prove Islam.

You keep telling yourself that.

(March 22, 2017 at 12:30 am)MysticKnight Wrote: This about proof of Islam.
I wrote in a way, you can stop early and religion is already proven. For example, you can go 1-3, and that would be enough to prove Islam.

Ok, then let's see the points 1-3 which are enough to prove religion as a hindu

(March 21, 2017 at 7:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. You can rely on the sufficient for guidance (God), or you can rely on people claiming that they should or can be followed.
2. The problem with relying on other then God is that you cannot know who is guided unless God manifests them with clear proof, and hence, cannot know who should be followed.
3. The leaders he wants us to follow and who makes representatives of his religion are his chosen ones.

1. You can rely on guidance provided by the divine(God) or people who claim to be able to guide you.
2. The problem with relying on others is that you cannot be certain of their capability or authenticity.
3. The spiritual leaders, he, the parmatma, wants us to follow are his chosen ones



Ok, so that proves hinduism is true by your definition, right MK?

(March 22, 2017 at 1:35 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(March 22, 2017 at 12:30 am)MysticKnight Wrote: There are plenty of threads discussing proofs of God.

This about proof of Islam.

No. This topic is to preach about "Shia Islam".
Please, be more obvious.

Whatever, Shia Shiite Sufi, Sunni, Judaism, Christianity, Mormonism all the same bullcrap from the same source.

(March 22, 2017 at 12:30 am)MysticKnight Wrote: There are plenty of threads discussing proofs of God.

This about proof of Islam.

Sleight of hand. Islam is not a god.

(March 22, 2017 at 3:51 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Ok, so that proves hinduism is true by your definition, right MK?

Overall religions advocate to submit to God, so 1-3 proves that the claim we ought to submit to God to be true. So it proves in general, then the premises get more specific as to why 12ver Shiism is the correct one.

1-3 proves that you have a functional keyboard, but not much else.

(March 21, 2017 at 7:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. You can rely on the sufficient for guidance (God), or you can rely on people claiming that they should or can be followed.
2. The problem with relying on other then God is that you cannot know who is guided unless God manifests them with clear proof, and hence, cannot know who should be followed.
3. The leaders he wants us to follow and who makes representatives of his religion are his chosen ones.
4. God gives clear guidance with respect to the affair of his chosen ones.
5. The ones he associates together in a mission, also happen to be the closest one's to each other, and they are "family" in ways normal blood relatives or wives related to them are not.
6. Holy Ladies like Sarah and Mariam although don't take on the position were they should be taken as ruler by all humanity, are examples and signs of God and are part of the holy family that God has chosen for guidance. They are to emphasize that the path is meant for both men and women equally, although, the man and woman are not alike though people want them to be very similar in this century.
7. God has sacred numbers for the spiritual way the universe operates, whether it be 19 Angels on the Hell, the 6 days before the throne, the 7 veils, the 7 earths and 7 heavens, the summary of dim light in the night, bright light in the night, and really bright so mush so it's manifest bright day in 3, etc, and the sacred number for Captains of the covenant who steer the boat that is "by the name of God" in it's steering and anchoring, is 12, just as the months with God are Twelve the day he created the heavens and the earth, four of them being sacred, this being the upright religion.
8. God is consistent with his sacred numbers and has wisdom in them.
9. God is very clean in providing proof consistently and demonstrates by his way of the past, to the present and future.
10. The number of Salahs, the number of Rukus, and Sujoods, in both day and night, and in each Salah, and combined, all have sacred value in Quran but are not explicitly stated. Thus we need the "Sunnah" to explicit explain us the Quran and give us the explicit directions. The words to be stated in Salah are also complimentary to Quran and have wisdom in Quran. Everything is found in Quran but we don't preceive everything. The same is true of the names of the Imams in Quran. The same is true of all the rites of Hajj. etc, etc..... Quran contains everything and manifests the wisdom of it, but not explicitly. The complimentary nature of the Sunnah is hence needed.
11. We can listen to all sorts of people babble about the Quran but at the end, it's the family of the reminder who God wants us to seek knowledge from and directed humanity to ask when we do not know as all those sent before Mohammad were men who he revealed revelation to, and made the means towards him, and who were explainer of the revelation revealed to their hearts.
12. As God leaves a legacy of knowledge through the family of the reminder, we are to seek light from their words, and not rely on others to explain to us the Quran, though we may council one another about the ahadiths and Quran, we need to come thirsty to the family of the reminder like we come thirsty to Quran. Together, they will connect us to God and Salah cannot be established without this realization. 
13. Innovations are not to be followed but rather all practices relating to the sacred have to have proof from either a legacy of news from God or by knowledge. There has to be traces of knowledge to rely on, and not conjecture.
14. God is the True King and Master in all this, and sufficient is God as a Guide.

1. no (biblical god yaweh doesn't exist as for any other man mad god)

2. the bible like the quran says there is more than one god  (not out  right but there is in older biblical canon)

3. there is no chosen group as no religion has proven to true or plausible more than any other. so you  the islamist are given the same scrutiny to some that believes in Hades and Pluto.

4. there is no chosen people and why make a whole human civilization to where only 1 group gets favored it's a pointless waste of time. 
5. what... that makes no sense what so ever.....

6. yeah.....except that Islam in middle eastern countries don't treat women and men as equal when ever someone brings up why don't we treat women as equals they stoned in the bad way.

7. Again that makes no sense what so ever 

8. you are talking about a god that told a old man to go up  a mountain to sacrafice his son then a angle comes down to stop him. or the fact that god lied through proxy and gets his "chosen" people killed... or the fact he flooded the entire planet.... god isn't  consistent..

9. nope 

10. that's your own interpretation of the book

11. we have real knowledge in the real world we don't need no stinking bible to tell us how the world works our how the universe came into existence anymore. we have what's called technology and the sooner we ditch religion the sooner we are better off as a species. but again some form of religion will fill the void  of the older primitive ones anyways religion not inherently bad but is it something to take on with literal meaning no spiritual sure but do i want to be apart of it no. 

12. again this is pretty much saying have your own interpretation of the book which is dangerous. in saudi arabia right now i would be dead 100 times over because of the way
they interpret the quran. 

13. Innovation is the key to mankind's success we wouldn't be here without it. 

14. again nope if anything god canon wise god had a wife there was other gods.

15. im a godless heathen fear me