The Argument for Islam is very Simple:

[Astreja]

Overall religions advocate to submit to God, so 1-3 proves that the claim we ought to submit to God to be true.

No, that's just a control tactic used by religious leaders.

Not all religions teach that, either.  The old Norse religion, for instance, focuses on behaving in an honourable manner.  No submission at all is required (and in fact such submissiveness is considered a shameful thing to do), although the Æsir and Vanir do appreciate being invited to parties and offered food and drink.

[WinterHold]

No. This topic is to preach about "Shia Islam".
Please, be more obvious.

Whatever, Shia Shiite Sufi, Sunni, Judaism, Christianity, Mormonism all the same bullcrap from the same source.

Not really, there are so many different interpretations that make up the different sects inside the same religion.

Take Muslims; all Muslims believe in the Quran but take other books also to be sources.
So a Sunni would believe in the Quran and to its side. A famous Sunni source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Bukhari

a Shiite would believe in the Quran and to its side. A famous Shiite source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_i...al-Kulayni

A Sunni don't agree to Shiite sources.
A Shiite don't agree to Sunni sources.
Pshhhhh war.

There are so many more books. So big, both Shiites and Sunnies take them to be a holly source.
So many other sects, too.

Christians have Catholics, Prostants , Orthodox and to be honest I don't know about the rest. Mrmones? maybe.
Jews have different sects too.

So on, so forth.

Secularism exists because the followers of Abrahamic religions got into a hairy spot. So people got frustrated, and illumination became a fact.
With religions of this size, holes are easily taken advantage of. Who cares about the Quran when you got 16000 Hadiths?

That's why places like the Middle East have grudges that never are quenched, if somebody's religion is hate that is 1400 years old, or 2000 years old or heck: more; how is there any hopes for peace?

They will keep fighting forever.

[Aoi Magi]

Ok, so that proves hinduism is true by your definition, right MK?

Overall religions advocate to submit to God, so 1-3 proves that the claim we ought to submit to God to be true. So it proves in general, then the premises get more specific as to why 12ver Shiism is the correct one.

Simply advocating something doesn't make it true, and 1-3 are the claims (well, they are more like incoherent ramblings, but for arguments sake let's acknowledge it as claim), claims don't prove themselves, no matter how much you narrow them down. The claims that you think prove islam, I can provide similar "proof/claim" from hinduism, and hinduism being much older and broader has much more vague bs than islam. You need to realize philosophical ideas aren't proof of anything, and neither is the language or method you use to assert those claims. If you truly believe in the divine, ask the divine to convince the heathens here, and if that fails, please consider the remote possibility that maybe you are wrong.

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although the Æsir and Vanir do appreciate being invited to parties and offered food and drink.

hmm.. I like that religion, but the names are lame... I'll pass

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Secularism exists because the followers of Abrahamic religions got into a hairy spot. So people got frustrated, and illumination became a fact.
With religions of this size, holes are easily taken advantage of. Who cares about the Quran when you got 16000 Hadiths?

That's why places like the Middle East have grudges that never are quenched, if somebody's religion is hate that is 1400 years old, or 2000 years old or heck: more; how is there any hopes for peace?

They will keep fighting forever.

The founding "prophet" tried peace, failed utterly, then moved on to violence, why would the followers be any peaceful?

[popeyespappy]

I agree. The argument for Islam is simple.

Simple minded, and I don't buy it...

[Ravenshire]

There are plenty of threads discussing proofs of God.

This about proof of Islam.

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I wrote in a way, you can stop early and religion is already proven. For example, you can go 1-3, and that would be enough to prove Islam.

You keep telling yourself that.

He will. Positive reenforcement and all that...

[The Valkyrie]

Proof for Islam?

I believe in Islam. It exists. There is conclusive proof for this everywhere.

What I don't believe is Islam's message.

[Crunchy]

Or maybe that an actual leader arose from that community.

If someone presented evidence for that hypothesis I would certainly consider it.  The simple fact is that the bullshit written about "mohammed" dates from the same 80-100 year period after his supposed death that we see with 'jesus.'  And jesus is phony shit, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Saudi_Arabia


The history of Saudi Arabia shows that "someone" conquered the place around 600AD and that "someone" spread islam around that time. Unless you think it was god, it had to be somebody. Almost all historians agree that it was a guy named Mohammed. This is not at all the same as Jesus as there is contemporaneous evidence from non Muslim sources of Mohammad's existence. 

Having said this, it is irrelevant (even about Jesus). It seems to me that too many atheists embrace the "non existence" of these religious figures with glee because it's sticking it to the religious. 
There is no primary evidence for the existence of Homer, Pythagoras or Socrates, but that doesn't matter when evaluating their works and no one bothers to mention it about them.

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Proof for Islam?

I believe in Islam.  It exists.  There is conclusive proof for this everywhere.

What I don't believe is Islam's message.

Exactly. 
When I say Mohammed was a  murderer, rapist and pedophile, it is an accurate representation of what is said in the Quaran, and Hadith. I oppose islam based on what the text say, not what any individual chooses to redact from his own mind.

[Mystic]

Proof for Islam?

I believe in Islam.  It exists.  There is conclusive proof for this everywhere.

What I don't believe is Islam's message.

You don't believe but it has nothing to do with it not being proven. It has been proven.

You simply don't believe because you don't want to.

[Jesster]

You don't believe but it has nothing to do with it not being proven. It has been proven.

You simply don't believe because you don't want to.

Simply restating that it has been proven hundreds of times does not make it so.

[Mystic]

Overall religions advocate to submit to God, so 1-3 proves that the claim we ought to submit to God to be true. So it proves in general, then the premises get more specific as to why 12ver Shiism is the correct one.

Simply advocating something doesn't make it true, and 1-3 are the claims (well, they are more like incoherent ramblings, but for arguments sake let's acknowledge it as claim), claims don't prove themselves, no matter how much you narrow them down. The claims that you think prove islam, I can provide similar "proof/claim" from hinduism, and hinduism being much older and broader has much more vague bs than islam. You need to realize philosophical ideas aren't proof of anything, and neither is the language or method you use to assert those claims. If you truly believe in the divine, ask the divine to convince the heathens here, and if that fails, please consider the remote possibility that maybe you are wrong.

1-3 are claims but they are intuitive and manifest and can easily be elaborated on and proven.

Which claim do you find doubtful? Or at least pick the one you think is weakest of the three.

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You don't believe but it has nothing to do with it not being proven. It has been proven.

You simply don't believe because you don't want to.

Simply restating that it has been proven hundreds of times does not make it so.

I know that, so maybe you should tell yourself and others, denying God and proofs for him, doesn't mean anything.