(August 17, 2017 at 2:02 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Astreja Wrote: Gee, I hope not -- If I end up in heaven I'll have to stage a revolt to offset the ennui of all that razzafracking harp music.

What if it's all this?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mus...&FORM=VIRE

Jesus, how about a warning before anyone else clicks on that? Might as well have been Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton singing that damn duet . . .

(August 16, 2017 at 3:36 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Godscreated Wrote: You can't do enough to pay for your sins incurred in this life, it is an impossibility. Christ has already paid for them if you want them payed for and you know what you need to do.

If I can't pay it off myself, the debt is illegitimate and can simply be ignored.  I reject salvation unconditionally.

The idea that a god-man of dubious historicity is the only way to prevent eternal torture by a tyrannical butt-hurt bastard of a deity is... amusing.  Your way of thinking is so out of touch with reality and morality that I can't even feel sorry for you.

 I do not need the your sympathy and I'm in touch with reality and morality. By the way god does not torture you choose it.

GC

(August 17, 2017 at 2:02 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Astreja Wrote: Gee, I hope not -- If I end up in heaven I'll have to stage a revolt to offset the ennui of all that razzafracking harp music.

What if it's all this?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mus...&FORM=VIRE

Not bad (I rather like modern classical), but I distinctly heard diabolus in musica lurking in there.  A few bars of that, and St. Peter will grab us and our instruments and toss us out on our respective ears.

(August 17, 2017 at 3:33 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(August 17, 2017 at 2:02 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: What if it's all this?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mus...&FORM=VIRE

Not bad (I rather like modern classical), but I distinctly heard diabolus in musica lurking in there.  A few bars of that, and St. Peter will grab us and our instruments and toss us out on our respective ears.

No dissonance in Heaven?

Well, fuck that!

I think St. Peter has staff for that.





Satan and his minions as I recall . . . .

(August 17, 2017 at 3:25 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I do not need the your sympathy and I'm in touch with reality and morality. By the way god does not torture you choose it.

No, you're completely full of crap morality-wise.

It is impossible for me to be held responsible for being thrown into hell if your god holds 100% of the power.  A basic tenet of managerial theory is that you can only delegate responsibility if you also assign the power to fulfill that responsibility.  No sane person would choose eternal torture, and you should fucking well know that.

"You send yourself to hell" is just a sweet little lie you and other Christians tell yourselves so that you won't have to face the fact that you are deliberately worshipping an infinitely evil god, and to shirk the responsibility for the threats that you (not your imaginary friend) use to terrorize other people into following your sick-minded human sacrifice cult.

May you have sweat-drenched, waking-up-screaming nightmares of your most precious loved ones in the flames to which you so blithely condemn others, and may those nightmares change your love of your god into an implacable hatred and then lifelong disbelief.

Hard to see how any nonbeliever gets to hell, disbelief being precisely the kinda of sin Jesus took a crucifixion for !!


Praise Jesus !!!!

(August 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(August 17, 2017 at 3:25 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I do not need the your sympathy and I'm in touch with reality and morality. By the way god does not torture you choose it.

No, you're completely full of crap morality-wise.

It is impossible for me to be held responsible for being thrown into hell if your god holds 100% of the power.  A basic tenet of managerial theory is that you can only delegate responsibility if you also assign the power to fulfill that responsibility.  No sane person would choose eternal torture, and you should fucking well know that.

"You send yourself to hell" is just a sweet little lie you and other Christians tell yourselves so that you won't have to face the fact that you are deliberately worshipping an infinitely evil god, and to shirk the responsibility for the threats that you (not your imaginary friend) use to terrorize other people into following your sick-minded human sacrifice cult.

May you have sweat-drenched, waking-up-screaming nightmares of your most precious loved ones in the flames to which you so blithely condemn others, and may those nightmares change your love of your god into an implacable hatred and then lifelong disbelief.

 God doesn't work by human rules and you should know that. God holds no power over your choice of salvation or hell, this is one thing where you have total freedom. If you do not want to be with Him for eternity He will grant your desire, but that choice has consequences to it. I only bring up hell when it enters the conversation, meaning usually the other person brings it up first. I do not use it as a threat, how could I, I can't send you to hell and the Bible doesn't use it as a threat, hell is there to remind people that it exists and is the alternative decision to salvation. I wouldn't wish that last sentence in bold by me on anyone, that's how Christianity works. Even if I had a nightmare like that it would not sway my belief because of my love and devotion to God and I know almost all my family is saved.

GC

(August 18, 2017 at 2:48 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Astreja Wrote: No, you're completely full of crap morality-wise.

It is impossible for me to be held responsible for being thrown into hell if your god holds 100% of the power.  A basic tenet of managerial theory is that you can only delegate responsibility if you also assign the power to fulfill that responsibility.  No sane person would choose eternal torture, and you should fucking well know that.

"You send yourself to hell" is just a sweet little lie you and other Christians tell yourselves so that you won't have to face the fact that you are deliberately worshipping an infinitely evil god, and to shirk the responsibility for the threats that you (not your imaginary friend) use to terrorize other people into following your sick-minded human sacrifice cult.

May you have sweat-drenched, waking-up-screaming nightmares of your most precious loved ones in the flames to which you so blithely condemn others, and may those nightmares change your love of your god into an implacable hatred and then lifelong disbelief.

 God doesn't work by human rules and you should know that. God holds no power over your choice of salvation or hell, this is one thing where you have total freedom. If you do not want to be with Him for eternity He will grant your desire, but that choice has consequences to it. I only bring up hell when it enters the conversation, meaning usually the other person brings it up first. I do not use it as a threat, how could I, I can't send you to hell and the Bible doesn't use it as a threat, hell is there to remind people that it exists and is the alternative decision to salvation. I wouldn't wish that last sentence in bold by me on anyone, that's how Christianity works. Even if I had a nightmare like that it would not sway my belief because of my love and devotion to God and I know almost all my family is saved.

GC

Blah blah blah. You don't know shit.  The fact that you actually believe in Hell shows how immoral you are.

(August 5, 2017 at 2:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: ..For God and Jesus.  Father and Son.  Think about it.  Their relationship is fundamentally different than any human father and son EVER.  Use of the phrase, to me, seems to deny the scope/extent/degree/nature of their relationship and misleads those attempting to be faithful to them...

I suppose it was their way of putting it in earthly language that our human minds can relate to.
Jesus reminded us that there are things our minds can't easily grasp-
"You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things, so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?....
....I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.....you are of this world, I am not of this world" (John 3:12,John 10:38,8:14,8:23)