(August 23, 2017 at 2:47 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(August 23, 2017 at 10:15 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Plans within plans. The Night King can warg, it was convenient that one White Walker remained for capture. I'm pretty sure the whole thing was engineered to get him a dragon. And Jon was the perfect bait.

I'm not buying that.  Unless he could read minds and see that Dany was coming with three dragons then he wouldn't have known that she would show up to rescue the party with them.  I would think he saw the dragons when Dany showed up with them and thought "Hey, I'd like me one of those" and made it happen.

I saw a theory someone put up that was interesting, although i can't remember the first event so it might not have happened. 


Apparently, Bran saw the night king and his army at that mountain/lake area, prior to hardhome. Meaning that they walked all that way to go murder at hardhome, and then walked back to the mountain, which would hold up to the idea of him waiting for the events of the episode to happen as there had to be some reason for them to keep returning to that mountain.

(August 23, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(August 23, 2017 at 6:05 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Now who's the nerd?

Nitpicking... dragons exist?

Um... clearly if you buy into the premise of the show then dragons exist.



This is an argument about whether they can fly.

Well, duh! If dragons exist, then they can fly. Flying comes with the definition of being a dragon!
Even the old Chinese wingless dragons can fly - e.g. Falkor from The Neverending Story.

The question is... how much can a decaying gaping wound hinder said flying ability, given that the dragons on this show require wings to fly? Air is then something that will affect them.

(August 23, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

Quote:We can build some pretty heavy flying machines with much smaller wing to body ratios than those dragons....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-5...tofortress
- 160,000kg?! O.o (360,000 pounds)
- plus 32,000 kg of weapons!?! (70,000 pounds)

I wouldn't have a problem with those beast being able to actually fly...
http://tabletopwhale.com/img/posts/09-29-14.gif

Taking off, however... never a vertical ascent. I like it that they sometimes just plunge off a cliff on the show... at least that may give them enough boost for the wings to start working!... or just to glide.

You're seriously putting up a fixed-wing plane as your evidence that dragons would be able to fly?

It's not a fair comparison, is it? Poor airplanes can't compare to birds in terms of fuel economy and maneuverability... nor in taking off.
But some birds do require some forward velocity to help propel them into the air. They can't just take off vertically. Just like I don't think these dragons could.

(August 23, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: The problem isn't just in the weight, it's also in the biomechanics of how the wing muscles could get that weight into the air and keep it up there through flapping, since the dragons aren't gliders.

Yes they are gliders!
Look here at the start of the clip, a dragon gliding:


Also, don't forget that they are very very warm inside, providing a bit of extra buoyancy in air.... hot air goes up.

HAHA... look at this thing that I found!
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/c...hey-could/
"Disregarding the possibility of magic, this tells us that the atmosphere of Westeros must be far more dense than ours. [...] Watching a few episodes of Game of Thrones you’ll notice that pretty much anybody can pick up a spear or sword and throw it distances that an Olympic javelin thrower would be deeply envious of. Given that gravity seems to be roughly similar to ours, this suggests the thrown weapons are generating much more lift than on Earth – consistent with an atmosphere of higher density. "

Also, taking a bit more serious approach:
https://sites.google.com/site/anthonysgu...on-physics
"So, we have a candidate system for building a dragon. There are a wide variety of problems making these dragons biologically highly improbable, but they don't seem to be totally impossible.
[...]
Like all flying creatures, dragons will be rather weight sensitive, and so their skins, while possibly quite tough, will not be thick. A pierced dragon will tend to produce air rather than blood, though the requirements of using them as muscles mean they will have valves that can cut off air flow quite quickly."

(August 23, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: (hehehe, this is fun)

(of course it is... memory loss isn't though)

Watch it, you lot.

There are terrorists blowing themselves up to get you in heaven!

I'll just leave this here

Naw... all he had to do was drop those chains down into the lake! He had half an army down there already...

(August 24, 2017 at 9:31 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Naw... all he had to do was drop those chains down into the lake! He had half an army down there already...

Wait.... do you mean that the white-walkers don't drown?! :mind-blown:








Have you noticed how they call the zombies in The Walking Dead "walkers" and the zombies in GoT "white-walkers"?

New ad for a Portuguese beer:



(which, as I'm told, in spite of the name, it's not actually a Bock, but a Pale Lager... oh, the one in the add is not the original.... it's a Stout)

@Dragons flying....

I think that everyone knows that they rely on a combination of ventral sacs filled with lighter than air gas (which is also instrumental in their ability to breathe fire ) and the use of their wings for thrust and as control surfaces.  

Y'all ever tried suspension of disbelief? It's a helluva drug.

(August 25, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Shell B Wrote: Y'all ever tried suspension of disbelief? It's a helluva drug.

That was sort of my point from the beginning: If you're going to accept a world with dragons and magic and white walkers and all the rest then it's not much more of a stretch the believe a white walker dragon could fly with a big hole in its torso...

(August 25, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Shell B Wrote: Y'all ever tried suspension of disbelief? It's a helluva drug.

Ain't nobody got time for that!