(October 22, 2017 at 2:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I am wondering that exact thing.

   I'm proud of you for being upfront finally.

(October 21, 2017 at 12:55 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 21, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Joods Wrote: MK should you find yourself opening your eyes and leaving your faith for reason, does that mean you would be willing to issue apologies to those you've hurt here?

No one should be hurt by one person's view. Just as I am not hurt by the majority of people here and their view that I am in delusion.

If they truly know they are right, no one words of them being wrong will hurt them, and if they are confused, then perhaps the words are calling them to awaken and hence hurt.

I am not sure what stance regarding this issue I will take if I do leave my faith.  And I don't know if I will leave my faith.

All I know is right down I am in conflict, do I truly believe Losty and others I know among friends, are evil, due to their sexual orientation? I feel like I have an intellectual stance that it is evil the sexual orientation, but, when it comes down to it, my heart is convinced otherwise.

So I have to see where the conflict is coming for, if rational, if for good reasons, etc.

When you call someone evil, that can hurt their feelings even if they know you're wrong. Surely you can understand that.

I think I will drop out of this thread now, as it's depressing me. It seems I can never bring up my opinions on this subject without upsetting somebody, even though they are not in the slightest bit homophobic; how could they be? I'm gay and not ashamed of it, nor am I trying to change or urging change in anyone else. Quite the contrary. Nor am I religious and in fact am telling the religious to get fucked with their attempts to change me, and us. But nonetheless I guess we're just at a permanent impasse, with different opinions as to the cause of it, with my views in the minority. But my views come from my own experience, of myself growing up gay, so I believe I am entitled to them, but as I said before, I'm speaking for me and me alone; everyone else can speak for themselves.

Nought wrong with being gay.

It's the repressed religious mind that finds almost all aspects of human sexuality icky.

Unless they're doing it of course!!

Anybody remember "Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual"?

(October 23, 2017 at 6:02 am)emjay Wrote: I think I will drop out of this thread now, as it's depressing me. It seems I can never bring up my opinions on this subject without upsetting somebody, even though they are not in the slightest bit homophobic; how could they be? I'm gay and not ashamed of it, nor am I trying to change or urging change in anyone else. Quite the contrary. Nor am I religious and in fact am telling the religious to get fucked with their attempts to change me, and us. But nonetheless I guess we're just at a permanent impasse, with different opinions as to the cause of it, with my views in the minority. But my views come from my own experience, of myself growing up gay, so I believe I am entitled to them, but as I said before, I'm speaking for me and me alone; everyone else can speak for themselves.

I didn't read enough of the thread to see your "offending" opinion, but I don't think you should worry about offending people. You have every right to your opinion. It's ok to disagree.

(October 23, 2017 at 12:30 pm)Losty Wrote: I didn't read enough of the thread to see your "offending" opinion, but I don't think you should worry about offending people. You have every right to your opinion. It's ok to disagree.

I disagree.