(October 25, 2017 at 2:56 pm)FFaith Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 12:45 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Ahh, yes...  Another fruitful political discussion here at AF.  Thanks, Neo.  How well did you think, "a few, therefore all of you," as an OP was going to go?  

We're seeing incidents like this with college students weekly. This is not a rare occasion. This type of stuff is happening consistently. I don't see why non-authoritarians see the need to try to make this seem like it's insignificant. These college students are the foot soldiers trying to make sure your free speech is done away with. 40 % of millenials are anti-free speech. That is a massive number. 'Free speech' is now seen as code for 'white supremacy'. To those saying that at least they aren't running over people in cars, that's the argument of a 4 year old. People who consider themselves progressive go out and kill people too. And if they get their way and free speech is done away with, that's an even worse outcome than a thousand people being run over by cars.

LOL @ "weekly" If you have to exaggerate to make your point your point is faulty. 40% of millennials are anti free speech? Where are the hell are you getting this shit? And how do you even conduct a poll to get that result?If that's even a real number, it's most likely the result of a push poll. Majority of millennials aren't even college students! 2/3 of millennials age 25 to 32 don't even have a degree!

I go to a very liberal state college. A student organization against Planned Parenthood had a table set up in the quad two weeks ago giving out info about how they sell fetus parts. Surprise surprise, people acted like mature young adults and just ignored them.

Posts like these really just make me sad. Think for a minute, will you?

Free speech only means that the government cannot punish you* for what you say. It doesn't mean anything else. Colleges are not required to provide a venue for all. Anyone complaining about that is an idiot. Full stop.

*Things like child porn, slander, speech that incites violence notwithstanding.

(October 25, 2017 at 5:11 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 2:56 pm)FFaith Wrote: We're seeing incidents like this with college students weekly. This is not a rare occasion. This type of stuff is happening consistently. I don't see why non-authoritarians see the need to try to make this seem like it's insignificant. These college students are the foot soldiers trying to make sure your free speech is done away with. 40 % of millenials are anti-free speech. That is a massive number. 'Free speech' is now seen as code for 'white supremacy'. To those saying that at least they aren't running over people in cars, that's the argument of a 4 year old. People who consider themselves progressive go out and kill people too. And if they get their way and free speech is done away with, that's an even worse outcome than a thousand people being run over by cars.

LOL @ "weekly"  If you have to exaggerate to make your point your point is faulty. 40% of millennials are anti free speech? Where are the hell are you getting this shit? And how do you even conduct a poll to get that result?If that's even a real number, it's most likely the result of a push poll. Majority of millennials aren't even college students! 2/3 of millennials age 25 to 32 don't even have a degree!

I go to a very liberal state college. A student organization against Planned Parenthood had a table set up in the quad two weeks ago giving out info about how they sell fetus parts. Surprise surprise, people acted like mature young adults and just ignored them.

Posts like these really just make me sad. Think for a minute, will you?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...inorities/

Weekly is not an exaggeration. It's normal to hear several stories like this over the course of one week. I pay attention to this stuff and look into it every few days to see what's up.

(October 25, 2017 at 5:24 pm)FFaith Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 5:11 pm)Aegon Wrote: LOL @ "weekly"  If you have to exaggerate to make your point your point is faulty. 40% of millennials are anti free speech? Where are the hell are you getting this shit? And how do you even conduct a poll to get that result?If that's even a real number, it's most likely the result of a push poll. Majority of millennials aren't even college students! 2/3 of millennials age 25 to 32 don't even have a degree!

I go to a very liberal state college. A student organization against Planned Parenthood had a table set up in the quad two weeks ago giving out info about how they sell fetus parts. Surprise surprise, people acted like mature young adults and just ignored them.

Posts like these really just make me sad. Think for a minute, will you?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...inorities/

Weekly is not an exaggeration. It's normal to hear several stories like this over the course of one week. I pay attention to this stuff and look into it every few days to see what's up.

I see that the LESS educated millennials are, the MORE likely they are to want to limit it. Add that to the fact that non-whites support it substantially more than whites, I don't find it shocking that a generation with more minority members than any other in US history will want to restrict hate speech against themselves. The data says, to me, that there is a clear racial divide. And it is not necessarily a side effect of college or today's brand of liberal.

I think young liberals have a tolerance issue, but I also don't think it's something that is suddenly unique to this generation's young people and I don't think it's NEARLY, NEARLY as big of a problem as people make it out to be. You sound like nutjobs.

Not to mention the link is two years old; a lot could have changed since then.

(October 25, 2017 at 4:05 pm)FFaith Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 3:47 pm)Shell B Wrote:  

"Limiting speech offensive to minorities," while not my cuppa, is not the same as being "anti-free speech."

Yes, it is the same thing. Free speech does not mean only speech that you agree with.

I certainly hope you understand the difference between free speech and hate speech, FF.

Also, the reason why 'free speech' is considered to be a dog whistle for 'white supremacy' is because, recently, white supremacists have been the loudest ones complaining about a lack of free speech, specifically on college campuses. See: Milo, and people of his ilk.

So, to reiterate, no one is required to provide a venue for bullshit, and tolerance doesn't mean tolerating things like white supremacy.

Regarding the kids in the OP, they seem to be typical zealous college kids. We had them back in my day, too.

Quote:Yes, it is the same thing. Free speech does not mean only speech that you agree with.

Free speech also does not  mean  unlimited speech

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(October 25, 2017 at 5:49 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Also, the reason why 'free speech' is considered to be a dog whistle for 'white supremacy' is because, recently, white supremacists have been the loudest ones complaining about a lack of free speech, specifically on college campuses.  See: Milo, and people of his ilk.

So, to reiterate, no one is required to provide a venue for bullshit, and tolerance doesn't mean tolerating things like white supremacy.  

Regarding the kids in the OP, they seem to be typical zealous college kids.  We had them back in my day, too.

Yup in my day too . Nothing special here .

Yeah, it's hilarious to see people on the right freaking out about things college kids have been doing forever. It's not the end of civilization, folks. Relax.

(October 25, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 1:52 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Nope, just my perspective. I'm all for most social progress as long as it makes sense.

You say "all", then say "mostly".  Backpedaling.

Bite me.