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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:37 am
(November 7, 2017 at 10:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:15 am)Mathilda Wrote: For it to be objectively wrong you would first have to define what 'wrong' actually is to the point of being able to physically measure it.
You won't be able to come up with such a definition that does not fail in other situations.
And why is it such a problem to accept that raping, torturing and killing a 4 year old is "wrong" as a matter of personal opinion? Surely the only reason is because you have such strong opinions against such acts because of your biologically evolved instincts.
Let me show you pictures of evil using your definition (don't worry, they aren't disturbing):
And why?
Animals Can Be Giant Jerks
Are you really comparing child rape to animal behavior?
You do agree that people are mammals, right?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:37 am
(November 7, 2017 at 10:31 am)Whateverist Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:25 am)pool the matey Wrote: Wait, so raping children is just subjectively wrong? The hell?? There is no possible justification for raping children ever. That's objectively wrong. Don't defend crap like that just to give your point more weight
You'll have to justify that "just" for us to be able to argue anything based on a difference in the meaning we attach to the words. You're devaluing "subjective", a subjective act. If you can't justify that, our disagreement resides in a failure to communicate.
My point is raping children is objectively wrong plain and simple. If it is subjectively wrong then there must be a justification for how it can be a subjectively moral act, what is that explanation? There is no explanation to justify that evil, then how can it be subjectively wrong/right act, it's a objectively evil act period
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:38 am
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Maybe people who are too sensitive shouldn't bring up child rape.
If God is real, then morality is subjective to God, in which case morality is subjective; or morality is not subjective to God, in which case God doesn't determine what is and isn't moral, and morality is independent of God. God doesn't make morality objective.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:39 am
(November 7, 2017 at 10:36 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:30 am)Aegon Wrote: To be fair, I never asked to be born and I feel a bit disrespected my opinion on the matter was never taken into consideration.
Yes, your parents disrespected you by having sex and then not having aborted you. Interesting.
I'm joking, silly!
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:41 am
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MysticKnight Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:Depends on the god. A real, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent should be glaringly obvious to anyone. A trickster god, that wants us to guess at its nature and reality, would play games like hiding behind contradictory texts and prophets.
So you hate tricks and riddles, too bad, the world is full of them, maybe look for a book from God to help you solve them and guides to point you to those solutions.....
Tricks and riddles are great if you want to play games. So you believe Allah is a jokester. Cool. As long as we don't have to take it seriously.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:42 am
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 10:42 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 7, 2017 at 10:37 am)pool the matey Wrote: My point is raping children is objectively wrong plain and simple. If it is subjectively wrong then there must be a justification for how it can be a subjectively moral act, what is that explanation? There is no explanation to justify that evil, then how can it be subjectively wrong/right act, it's a objectively evil act period
Not according to god, besides, some child rape is necessarry to fulfill gods plan and it'll all be worth it in the end.
"Now, don't cry sally ann, I'm right here on the tip of the rapists penis, doing nothing..but I assure you you'll feel much better about this when you're in heaven with me...in about five minutes, when he bludgeons you to death and dumps your body in a ditch. "
Allah hu akbar, praise jesus, pass the salt..etc etc etc
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:43 am
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 10:44 am by Whateverist.)
(November 7, 2017 at 10:37 am)pool the matey Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:31 am)Whateverist Wrote: You'll have to justify that "just" for us to be able to argue anything based on a difference in the meaning we attach to the words. You're devaluing "subjective", a subjective act. If you can't justify that, our disagreement resides in a failure to communicate.
My point is raping children is objectively wrong plain and simple. If it is subjectively wrong then there must be a justification for how it can be a subjectively moral act, what is that explanation? There is no explanation to justify that evil, then how can it be subjectively wrong/right act, it's a objectively evil act period
We all share lots of DNA. Hell, we're the same species. We've evolved to live cooperatively and to have ( nearly universally) dispositions which support that life style. That is what accounts for our common judgement. It would be odd if what we valued had made no difference in our evolution, especially given our need to work cooperatively. For an orangutan it would matter much less.
(November 7, 2017 at 10:36 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:30 am)Aegon Wrote: To be fair, I never asked to be born and I feel a bit disrespected my opinion on the matter was never taken into consideration.
Yes, your parents disrespected you by having sex and then not having aborted you. What an odd thing to say...
Well at least they had the sex when I wasn't looking. 
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:45 am
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(November 7, 2017 at 10:37 am)Whateverist Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Are you really comparing child rape to animal behavior?
You do agree that people are mammals, right?
The next time we hear about a little girl being raped by her father, are you going to say "well, the otters do it... we are all mammals after all"?
Seriously, what a bizarre conversation....
(November 7, 2017 at 10:39 am)Aegon Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:36 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes, your parents disrespected you by having sex and then not having aborted you. Interesting.
I'm joking, silly!
Lol ok. But hey, you never know... RobValue felt that way, and so did Pharroh.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:50 am
(November 7, 2017 at 10:45 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:37 am)Whateverist Wrote: You do agree that people are mammals, right?
The next time we hear about a little girl being raped by her father, are you going to say "well, the otters do it... we are all mammals after all"?
Seriously, what a bizarre conversation....
Of course not. My dispositions aren't that flexible and they sure aren't random. They're deeply settled, emotion backed responses that have evolved to allow us to thrive socially. Other mammals have other needs and other dispositions. What is good for the otter, may not be good for the man.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:53 am
Wow I feel like I'm in the twilight zone, seriously I don't believe you guys believe child rape is a subjectively immoral act AT ALL. bullshit. Bullshit, bullshit. Only a seriously twisted evil person can think that and I know you guys don't really believe that, you're just saying that to give your point more weight, whatever, but still, not cool though. Don't agree with it at all but you're entitled to your opinion.
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