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One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:24 pm
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:24 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:22 pm)Khemikal Wrote: No...no, wait a minute..Allah didn't do any of that shit.  That was us.

Yes, exactly, just like Pharaoh forced God to destroy him, and evil was from Pharaoh and not God.

It's good you are starting to understand.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:24 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Whenever your ready to show design of your ideal universe, go ahead, don't side track it.


None of us is arguing for a better designer.  They are just pointing out the imperfections you don't acknowledge.  But there was no design involved.  Atheists believe 'creation' was pushed forward by the nature of the materials and their interaction, it wasn't drawn toward a goal by any invisible hand.  No one is suggesting they have a perfect design, as that is irrelevant any how.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote:
(November 7, 2017 at 10:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Whenever your ready to show design of your ideal universe, go ahead, don't side track it.


None of us is arguing for a better designer.  They are just pointing out the imperfections you don't acknowledge.  But there was no design involved.  Atheists believe 'creation' was pushed forward by the nature of the materials and their interaction, it wasn't drawn toward a goal by any invisible hand.  No one is suggesting they have a perfect design, as that is irrelevant any how.

Creation is not God. If God could create or beget another God, there would no imperfection, and we all be Gods. God is not niggardly in grace, if it was possible for all to be perfect absolute beings, he would have created us all as Himself.

The very fact one imperfect being exists is enough to know it's impossible for God to beget himself.

I am saying this is the best design, you guys are showing bad results. Bad results were not the intention, the good results were, but we are responsible for the bad results.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm
Irrelevant indeed . As i said just excuses .
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November 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm (This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 10:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 7, 2017 at 10:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Yes, exactly, just like Pharaoh forced God to destroy him, and evil was from Pharaoh and not God.

It's good you are starting to understand.

I think you forgot all the babies...too.  Pharaoh..somehow, forced god to kill the children.  Awfully powerful guy, what with getting god to do strange ass shit like that.

OTOH, if the stories can be believed, god never saw a kid he didn't want dead, burnt-as-offering, drowned, mauled by bears, smashed against the rocks, or raped by marauding hebrews. So he might have been killing two birds with a single stone on that one.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:29 pm
 Pharaoh did not  force God to do anything . 
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November 7, 2017 at 10:30 pm (This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 10:31 pm by Mystic.)
(November 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(November 7, 2017 at 10:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Yes, exactly, just like Pharaoh forced God to destroy him, and evil was from Pharaoh and not God.

It's good you are starting to understand.

I think you forgot all the babies...too.  Pharaoh..somehow, forced god to kill the children.  Awfully powerful guy, what with getting god to do strange ass shit like that.

OTOH, if the stories can be believed, god never saw a baby he didn't want dead, smashed against the rocks, or raped by marauding hebrews.  So he might have been killing two birds with one stone on that one.

This is rich, tell me what is your view on abortion?
(November 7, 2017 at 10:29 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:  Pharaoh did not  force God to do anything . 

Love compels God to save believers time to time. Unfortunately Pharaoh caught one of the days of God. God told Moses to speak a gentle word to Pharaoh but Pharah forced the results.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:31 pm (This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 10:33 pm by Whateverist.)
(November 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Creation is not God.

Well, duh.  Nothing is God, why should 'creation' be an exception?


(November 7, 2017 at 10:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The very fact one imperfect being exists is enough to know it's impossible for God to beget himself.

All of your 'facts' are correctly termed 'guesses', having all derived from your supernatural hunch.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:34 pm
I restate he did not force god (aside the fact the exodus never happened) 

And as far as i am concerned nothing is god
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