Hahahahahaha!  Put up or shut up on that one, Mystic. I'm starting to wonder whether any of you have ever heard a silly story you -didn't- want to believe.

(November 8, 2017 at 2:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There have been studies, that when Atheists remember God they tend to do more good as well. I don't mean they believe in him, I mean just remembering God, they are inclined to do more good.

Link to a peer-reviewed study from a reputable journal, please?

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(November 8, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Somehow we managed to improve the design, lowly worms that we are.  Some god.  Some design.  This is the "willing but not capable" conclusion of the PoE.  Sure, he wanted it to be better..he tried...he moved on it like a bitch......but he just couldn't get there.

Mortals make better gods than gods, apparently.  

"The Tawhid Journal of Blessed Soul Science"

(November 8, 2017 at 1:40 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 8, 2017 at 1:36 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If there is evidence for God, then it should be, ya know, evident to us; regardless of how one individual chooses to present it.

Is this true? I doubt it. 

If you can show your thesis to be true, it would prove a lot.

But I find if a Math teacher doesn't teach well, it is not always the fault of the students.

This analogy, frankly, is awful.  You understand that there is a difference between being taught how to do math, and evidence that math exists, yes?

Quote:Also, even if it is evident to you, it doesn't mean you will accept.

So, now you're back to rudely asserting that if I don't find what you present to be persuasive, then I'm just lying to myself.  To that I say, fuck off.  How about this, MK?  You don't really believe in god.  You just want him to be real so badly that you lie to yourself about the truth.  How does that feel?

Quote:So we have three possibilities:

1. The presenter is presenting bad.
2. The listeners are not listening well.
3. The truth is manifest regardless of 1 and 2, and including possibly that the presenter presented well and the listeners heard well enough, but they don't accept.

Or option 4. you arrogant prick: what the presenter offers up as "evidence" doesn't even come close to qualifying as such by any standard, accepted definition of the term.  Therefore, the listener may reasonably reject the claim as 'unevidenced', until actual evidence is offered.  Spoiler alert: if you need a special decoder ring to "see" the evidence, it's not evidence.  Quit blaming us.

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MK, your whining about us not accepting your "evidence" is analogous to you taking a sloppy, reeking shit onto a silver platter, and when you take the lid off and we reel away, gagging, you say, "Oh, come on guys. Don't lie to yourselves. You know it's delicious."

I see a new deadly missionary alliance manifesting between Pool, Mystic and CL.
...I have my mistakes, but my God; how I hate cheap planning to convert others. Especially missionary "mob" mentality ><

Just meh and lots of "-_-

I have no idea what you're talking about atlas

(November 8, 2017 at 10:30 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(November 8, 2017 at 8:51 am)Aroura Wrote: You totally didn't answer my question.  I'll ask one more time.

Main question: How is it fair that some people, like children, don't have to take the test to get eternal life, while others do? 

Also, does god not test everyone?  Why or Why not?  Also, does god tell you all of this personally, or are you just giving us your best guesses?  Be honest.
(I'm assuming you think children have souls and join god when they die, not that they are just props to give YOUR life more meaning, which is kinda what your answer sounds like).

Please try and address my questions, instead of wondering off topic.  Thanks.

I didn't see this comment. I went back and searched for it.

The children might not be resurrected. If we said they don't have complete minds, then it's totally legit to say that they are not legitimate judging subjects. I believe that they are a reminder for us all, of how things could've been if  we were to suffer like them.

I think it's an interesting question, and I didn't think in depth about it before. But if I guessed, then the people are a property of God; that's why he refers to us with "slaves" in the Quran. As his slaves; we are his property, so he can create some to act as decorations; a reminder for the rest. That makes the test get glued and manifests.

God is a scary being. When I think about a God that created everything, and perfect in everything, I tend to think he is also perfect in shock and awe. He is that scary. He is the example of perfect mercy and beauty too.

He is everything.

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I have a child.  You referring to children as if they are incomplete people might literally be the creepiest thing I've ever heard a religious person (not on the news) say.  
I don't even have a response beyond just telling you that, ew, creepy.
I'm sure other religious folk on here will probably also agree with me that children are people, not slave decorations.  Just, ew, dude.

On the other hand, I really do appreciate your honestly.  So I'm just being honest in return.  I feel quite a lot of pity for you, knowing this is how you view things, including your fear of your God.

Peace.

(edited to add that I really do appreciate not only your personal honesty, but your intelectual honesty.  Every Christian I've encountered on this forum does mental backflips to avoid touching the negative implications of their beliefs. I know you are not a Christian, maybe Muslims are more apt to accept his stuff?  Not sure.  But anyway, you, you just go right for logical conclusions, and damn the negative implications.  If it's God, it isn't really negative.  Seriously, I'm not being facetious here.  My hat off to you for the courage to just, go there.)

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(November 8, 2017 at 12:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(November 8, 2017 at 10:13 am)Aroura Wrote: Still waiting.....

Aroura, do you remember my greater design perspective response to evil while a Deist. I made a thread particularly to address the issue of children dying and suffering.

If you are interested, I can open a thread regarding that.

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Sorry MK, doesn't ring a bell.  Send me a PM with a link, if you like.
However, I don't think there is a conflict to a Deistic God. The problem of evil is only a problem to the supposed omni-benevolent god.  So your point old thread may be sort of moot, imo, but I'm still willing to read it with an open mind, if you like.

(November 8, 2017 at 3:46 pm)Aroura Wrote:

(November 8, 2017 at 10:30 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I didn't see this comment. I went back and searched for it.

The children might not be resurrected. If we said they don't have complete minds, then it's totally legit to say that they are not legitimate judging subjects. I believe that they are a reminder for us all, of how things could've been if  we were to suffer like them.

I think it's an interesting question, and I didn't think in depth about it before. But if I guessed, then the people are a property of God; that's why he refers to us with "slaves" in the Quran. As his slaves; we are his property, so he can create some to act as decorations; a reminder for the rest. That makes the test get glued and manifests.

God is a scary being. When I think about a God that created everything, and perfect in everything, I tend to think he is also perfect in shock and awe. He is that scary. He is the example of perfect mercy and beauty too.

He is everything.

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I have a child.  You referring to children as if they are incomplete people might literally be the creepiest thing I've ever heard a religious person (not on the news) say.  
I don't even have a response beyond just telling you that, ew, creepy.
I'm sure other religious folk on here will probably also agree with me that children are people, not slave decorations.  Just, ew, dude.

On the other hand, I really do appreciate your honestly.  OS I'm just being honest in return.  I feel quite a lot of pity for you, knowing this is how you view things, including your fear of your God.

Peace.

Ew might be a good reaction; it's what I believe in. At least I'm sure about some things:
1-I won't lie and call a child's brain a "full brain". Scientifically; it's not.
2-I won't lie and tell you that religions like Islam and Christianity don't promise sinners of hell.
3-I will present the faith as I read it and understood, and again: I won't lie and knock on your back.

I'am so sorry Aroura; but that's my understanding of the world. When I kill kids; tell me it's creepy. Until then, I'm sorry but I'm saying what all neurologists are saying worldwide. A child's brain needs time to grow to become "a full adult brain"; that's why sex with kids is pedophilia, kids are not allowed to drive, kids are not allowed to carry important tasks.

Ew on the other hands, if you abuse a child by giving him the treatment of an adult.

(November 8, 2017 at 8:53 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Don't start, Hammy.

I was only joking around and making a point at the same time

(November 8, 2017 at 3:46 pm)Aroura Wrote: (edited to add that I really do appreciate not only your personal honesty, but your intelectual honesty.  Every Christian I've encountered on this forum does mental backflips to avoid touching the negative implications of their beliefs. I know you are not a Christian, maybe Muslims are more apt to accept his stuff?  Not sure.  But anyway, you, you just go right for logical conclusions, and damn the negative implications.  If it's God, it isn't really negative.  Seriously, I'm not being facetious here.  My hat off to you for the courage to just, go there.)

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Time is short and life is cruel. It's better to deal with life with total honesty. I wish to have kids of my own, if I had a daughter or a son I swear to protect them with everything I have, and make sure they live a happy life. But I will never forgive myself if I keep my toddler in to drown in the shower, while I smoke weed outside.
Kids are not complete in terms of brain; and they have many years to grow. It's better for me to know the fact, instead of lying to myself and treat my child like an adult, and end up with a raped kid or a junky child.
It's just that I saw a lot. So maybe I appear to be cruel. But I think reality is like that: cruel. And religion? believe me, all of them use fear to some extent.
I'm not good with Muslims, either : Actually I have severe issues with both sects in Islam: Sunna sect, and Shia sect. I think they are destroying the religion, and also destroy the humans who adapt them. They eat peoples' minds slowly.
Hat off here also Aroura. Thank you for hearing what I had to say.