Roads making an appeal to motivation .

(December 22, 2017 at 8:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Way to go Ohio. No, we should not kill babies who have down syndrome. Or spina bifida.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm.

Anyway, the OP wasn't talking about killing babies. He/she was talking about abortion. Isn't there a difference?

(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Grandizer Wrote: CL has chosen to ignore my question. Can you answer what I asked her on previous page or so? What is it you want accomplished?

I certainly do not support later term abortions, or even here at 10-13 weeks, about the earliest they can detect downs syndrome (a fetus if you like).  
Personally I think that we should err on the side of not killing a human being (so I tend to be conservative).  However the sites I'm looking at, are saying that you aren't even really considered pregnant, until late in the second week, to the third week after conception.  Here, I'm not so sure.

How about you?

I think it's pretty clear where I stand. I'm pro-choice, and leave all the decision-making regarding where to draw the line between legal and illegal abortion to the lawmakers and women, since it's none of my business and I am neutral about fetuses.

But back to you, are you for a complete ban on abortion after three weeks after conception? Do you think extreme cases should be considered, such as in case of rape or high risk to woman's health/wellbeing? Do you believe abortion banning will make things better for society overall?

These are not meant to be loaded questions, so answer with as many details and clarifications as you like. I want to know you've thought well enough about the implications and considered women's plight in your ponderings on abortion.

(December 29, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I certainly do not support later term abortions, or even here at 10-13 weeks, about the earliest they can detect downs syndrome (a fetus if you like).  
Personally I think that we should err on the side of not killing a human being (so I tend to be conservative).  However the sites I'm looking at, are saying that you aren't even really considered pregnant, until late in the second week, to the third week after conception.  Here, I'm not so sure.

How about you?

I think it's pretty clear where I stand. I'm pro-choice, and leave all the decision-making regarding where to draw the line between legal and illegal abortion to the lawmakers and women, since it's none of my business and I am neutral about fetuses.

But back to you, are you for a complete ban on abortion after three weeks after conception? Do you think extreme cases should be considered, such as in case of rape or high risk to woman's health/wellbeing? Do you believe abortion banning will make things better for society overall?

These are not meant to be loaded questions, so answer with as many details and clarifications as you like. I want to know you've thought well enough about the implications and considered women's plight in your ponderings on abortion.

I point out even if he does believe that cases of rape or high risk are valid. He immediately runs into the issue of saying that fetuses created out of rape are less worthy of living then those that were not despite the notion both are innocent . As for risk which is more risky abortion done in a hospital or clinic or a back door abortion .

(December 29, 2017 at 5:45 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

RoadRunner79 Wrote:However if you are going to define life, by breathing through the lungs, I did get a funny picture of some disgruntled atheists wife, waiting from some poor husbands sleep apnia to make him stop breathing long enough, that she can stab him and it wouldn't be murder!

It was the beginning of human life being defined based on what the Bible has to say about it. Presumably the Bible is what's relevant in how Christians define the beginning of human life. The funny pictures you get in your head are irrelevant.

Actually, I know a few atheists who are pro life. They don't regard the Bible in its relevance to the beginning of human life. Their assertion is that the science behind the argument for abortion is a perversion that's corrupted by political and social agendas. Terms like, tissue, lump of cells, parasite, are used by pro abortionists to devalue human life in its earliest stages
to make the abortion procedure more palatable to the duped masses and to erase any guilt of ending a life that has done no wrong other than being the target of an unwanted pregnancy.

(December 29, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I certainly do not support later term abortions, or even here at 10-13 weeks, about the earliest they can detect downs syndrome (a fetus if you like).  
Personally I think that we should err on the side of not killing a human being (so I tend to be conservative).  However the sites I'm looking at, are saying that you aren't even really considered pregnant, until late in the second week, to the third week after conception.  Here, I'm not so sure.

How about you?

I think it's pretty clear where I stand. I'm pro-choice, and leave all the decision-making regarding where to draw the line between legal and illegal abortion to the lawmakers and women, since it's none of my business and I am neutral about fetuses.

But back to you, are you for a complete ban on abortion after three weeks after conception? Do you think extreme cases should be considered, such as in case of rape or high risk to woman's health/wellbeing? Do you believe abortion banning will make things better for society overall?

These are not meant to be loaded questions, so answer with as many details and clarifications as you like. I want to know you've thought well enough about the implications and considered women's plight in your ponderings on abortion.

I think that such unjustified killing is always wrong, even in difficult circumstances such as a rape. Similarly, if they had the baby, but then after a year or two the decided that it was too much emotion stress would you let them dispose of it then?
In the unlikely situations, where they must save the woman or lose them both, then yes, it is difficult, but I think that the choice is to save who you can. But that is an entirely different scenario, than killing someone for some of the horrible reasons that people have abortions.

Ah, Christians and their shameless hypocrisy