(February 23, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 23, 2018 at 8:32 am)Cyberman Wrote: Addendum:

Except that atheists are responsible for the most atrocities, thereby making belief that a God does not exist absurd...

Not atheists, socialists. Get it right.

(sorry, socialists are usually atheists too.)

(February 23, 2018 at 12:46 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Thanks for all the replies so far! I'm going to let this thread go for another day or so, and then pick one to respond to for my project. Much appreciated.

Oh, wow so you're not going to answer all the objections just one (and probably a straw man of one at that, knowing you lot). How intellectually cowardly of you.

(February 22, 2018 at 8:48 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Hi Friends 

I hope this is the right sub-forum. I'm currently in a Christian apologetics class, and I have been assigned a project. I need to find a non or "ex" Christian and ask them what the most significant intellectual issue they find in the Christian narrative. Would anyone be willing to help me out with this? 

You would simply state the most important issue that discredits Christianity as a rational position, whatever it might be, and then I will prepare a Christian response to whatever objection you raise and send it to you. You would then read it and send me back a short paragraph or so (or more) detailing your response to whatever I've written. If you are willing to do this, then either post your issue below or pm me. It would be much appreciated. 

Thanks!

I have never been presented with demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic to support the claim that any god exists, let alone the Christian god.

All the arguments for the existence of a god (Kalam, design, ontological, TAG) ALL have fatal flaws that show them to be fallacious.

I've got a shelf full of some of the most respected apologetics books ever printed, and they are all only convincing to those already convinced.

(February 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm)DLJ Wrote:

(February 23, 2018 at 2:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Why would one believe there are no consequences?

Why indeed.

The point being that there is a difference between 'not believing there are consequences' and 'believing there are no consequences'.

Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?

How about a dearth of convincing evidence that there are consequences?

(February 23, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Cyberman Wrote: How about a dearth of convincing evidence that there are consequences?

Since we are talking about being accountable to a higher power, would you define being unconvinced that there are consequences as atheism?

(February 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm)DLJ Wrote: Why indeed.

The point being that there is a difference between 'not believing there are consequences' and 'believing there are no consequences'.

Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?

Pass. Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter? Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism? Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

Cheers.

(February 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm)DLJ Wrote:

(February 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?

Pass.  Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter?  Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism?  Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

Cheers.

When it comes down to killing people I would argue that either position could fall under sociopathy would you agree?

(February 22, 2018 at 8:48 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Hi Friends 

I hope this is the right sub-forum. I'm currently in a Christian apologetics class, and I have been assigned a project. I need to find a non or "ex" Christian and ask them what the most significant intellectual issue they find in the Christian narrative. Would anyone be willing to help me out with this? 

You would simply state the most important issue that discredits Christianity as a rational position, whatever it might be, and then I will prepare a Christian response to whatever objection you raise and send it to you. You would then read it and send me back a short paragraph or so (or more) detailing your response to whatever I've written. If you are willing to do this, then either post your issue below or pm me. It would be much appreciated. 

Thanks!

(February 23, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm)DLJ Wrote: Pass.  Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter?  Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism?  Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

Cheers.

When it comes down to killing people I would argue that either position could fall under sociopathy would you agree?

I would not.