Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: November 18, 2024, 12:50 am
Atheist Forums › Community › Atheism v
What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Thread Modes
What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
Neo-Scholastic Offline Donators
Donator
*****
Religious Views: Non-denominational Christian
Posts: 8711
Threads: 128
Joined: March 1, 2012
Reputation: 54
#81
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:18 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 8:32 am)Cyberman Wrote: Addendum:

[Image: those-who-can-make-you-believe-absurdities.jpg]

Except that atheists are responsible for the most atrocities, thereby making belief that a God does not exist absurd...

Thinking

Not atheists, socialists. Get it right.

(sorry, socialists are usually atheists too.)
Find
Reply
Pat Mustard Offline
Previous username: GUBU
God! Theresa, I forgot me fecking trousers!
****
Religious Views: the Disc's first ligthning proof atheist
Posts: 8267
Threads: 47
Joined: September 12, 2015
Reputation: 42
#82
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:20 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 12:46 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Thanks for all the replies so far! I'm going to let this thread go for another day or so, and then pick one to respond to for my project. Much appreciated.

Oh, wow so you're not going to answer all the objections just one (and probably a straw man of one at that, knowing you lot). How intellectually cowardly of you.
Urbs Antiqua Fuit Studiisque Asperrima Belli

Home
Find
Reply
Simon Moon Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: Atheist
Posts: 3634
Threads: 20
Joined: July 20, 2011
Reputation: 47
#83
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:27 pm
(February 22, 2018 at 8:48 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Hi Friends 

I hope this is the right sub-forum. I'm currently in a Christian apologetics class, and I have been assigned a project. I need to find a non or "ex" Christian and ask them what the most significant intellectual issue they find in the Christian narrative. Would anyone be willing to help me out with this? 

You would simply state the most important issue that discredits Christianity as a rational position, whatever it might be, and then I will prepare a Christian response to whatever objection you raise and send it to you. You would then read it and send me back a short paragraph or so (or more) detailing your response to whatever I've written. If you are willing to do this, then either post your issue below or pm me. It would be much appreciated. 

Thanks!

I have never been presented with demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, reasoned argument, and valid and sound logic to support the claim that any god exists, let alone the Christian god.

All the arguments for the existence of a god (Kalam, design, ontological, TAG) ALL have fatal flaws that show them to be fallacious.

I've got a shelf full of some of the most respected apologetics books ever printed, and they are all only convincing to those already convinced.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Find
Reply
Huggy Bear Offline
Banned
Religious Views: I believe in God, not religion
Posts: 4738
Threads: 7
Joined: October 17, 2013
Reputation: 15
#84
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm)DLJ Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 2:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Why would one believe there are no consequences?

Why indeed.

The point being that there is a difference between 'not believing there are consequences' and 'believing there are no consequences'.

Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?
Find
Reply
Cyberman Away
Beta cuck male
*****
Religious Views: Frisbeetarian
Posts: 25314
Threads: 239
Joined: August 26, 2010
Reputation: 156
#85
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:33 pm
How about a dearth of convincing evidence that there are consequences?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
Find
Reply
Huggy Bear Offline
Banned
Religious Views: I believe in God, not religion
Posts: 4738
Threads: 7
Joined: October 17, 2013
Reputation: 15
#86
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:40 pm (This post was last modified: February 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(February 23, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Cyberman Wrote: How about a dearth of convincing evidence that there are consequences?

Since we are talking about being accountable to a higher power, would you define being unconvinced that there are consequences as atheism?
Find
Reply
DLJ Offline
Oldie Newbie
***
Religious Views: I didn't vote for her.
Posts: 536
Threads: 4
Joined: October 15, 2013
Reputation: 27
#87
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm)DLJ Wrote: Why indeed.

The point being that there is a difference between 'not believing there are consequences' and 'believing there are no consequences'.

Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?

Pass. Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter? Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism? Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

Cheers.

Wink
The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)
Find
Reply
Huggy Bear Offline
Banned
Religious Views: I believe in God, not religion
Posts: 4738
Threads: 7
Joined: October 17, 2013
Reputation: 15
#88
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:53 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm)DLJ Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 3:31 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Either way you want to put it is fine by me, my question is why would one [believe there are no / not believe in] consequences?

Pass.  Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter?  Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism?  Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

Cheers.

Wink

When it comes down to killing people I would argue that either position could fall under sociopathy would you agree?
Find
Reply
drfuzzy Offline
logic padawan
****
Religious Views: atheist
Posts: 2791
Threads: 107
Joined: July 4, 2015
Reputation: 35
#89
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 3:54 pm
(February 22, 2018 at 8:48 pm)Captain Hook Wrote: Hi Friends 

I hope this is the right sub-forum. I'm currently in a Christian apologetics class, and I have been assigned a project. I need to find a non or "ex" Christian and ask them what the most significant intellectual issue they find in the Christian narrative. Would anyone be willing to help me out with this? 

You would simply state the most important issue that discredits Christianity as a rational position, whatever it might be, and then I will prepare a Christian response to whatever objection you raise and send it to you. You would then read it and send me back a short paragraph or so (or more) detailing your response to whatever I've written. If you are willing to do this, then either post your issue below or pm me. It would be much appreciated. 

Thanks!

[Image: SHab2.jpg]
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
Find
Reply
DLJ Offline
Oldie Newbie
***
Religious Views: I didn't vote for her.
Posts: 536
Threads: 4
Joined: October 15, 2013
Reputation: 27
#90
RE: What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?
February 23, 2018 at 4:05 pm
(February 23, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 23, 2018 at 3:42 pm)DLJ Wrote: Pass.  Sociopathy, maybe, for the latter?  Perhaps, 'not having thought about it', for the former?

Since either way is fine by you, could we please stick to the former (not believing) for atheism?  Hence, no one would kill for a 'not belief'.

I'm glad that sorted once and for all.

Cheers.

Wink

When it comes down to killing people I would argue that either position could fall under sociopathy would you agree?

I would not.
The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert)
The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation)
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Community › Atheism v
What Major Intellectual Issue Most Keeps You From Accepting The Christian Narrative?

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Dawkins, Rowling, Sunak et al on Trans Issue and Women's Rights. Nishant Xavier 63 5123 July 15, 2023 at 12:50 am
Last Post: Paleophyte
Lightbulb POLL: As an Atheist, What Do You View as Being the Most Rational Political Outlook? Engel 124 40139 June 1, 2022 at 2:19 pm
Last Post: Simon Moon
  Family not accepting you're an Atheist UniverseCaptain 45 7128 October 28, 2021 at 12:51 am
Last Post: slartibartfast
Information [Serious] How many reasonable solutions are there to any particular social issue? Prof.Lunaphiles 69 9753 April 11, 2020 at 8:55 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  My biggest issue with theists DodosAreDead 73 13814 August 5, 2018 at 12:55 am
Last Post: Cyberman
  Which atheists do you find the most annoying? Whateverist 126 21854 November 18, 2015 at 9:15 am
Last Post: houseofcantor
  Religious Rules that bother you the most Cecelia 47 8410 November 4, 2015 at 6:16 am
Last Post: ignoramus
  What pissed you off the most when debating against theism? strawberryBacteria 26 7275 September 20, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Last Post: Chad32
  Accepting the inevitable Longhorn 42 9626 August 17, 2015 at 10:32 am
Last Post: Iroscato
Video Most ignorant thing a Christian has told you Mental Outlaw 64 12113 March 1, 2015 at 3:33 pm
Last Post: The Reality Salesman01



Users browsing this thread: 9 Guest(s)