(March 2, 2018 at 5:36 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's about me, and the standard I want to follow. I don't want to follow lies, it's quite insulting.

Beg to differ, lol.  You do desperately want to follow magic book, don't you?

(January 16, 2018 at 11:01 am)Khemikal Wrote:

Quote:No; I'm asking to support what I'm saying with the question I gave.
It's quite weird that the Quran is still intact just like the day it was written. Also; all the religions of Abraham are still quite strong.

It's not weird in the slightest.  Magic book is a baby compared to the longevity of other popular cults.  Call me back in a few thousand years, if you're still perplexed by the mundane. 

It's not the first. The Quran is a part of chain of messages that God kept sending to people on earth.
Remember: we're here for a reason; after all. And this is a test ground.

Quote:Sura 23, The Quran:
( 43 )   No nation will precede its time [of termination], nor will they remain [thereafter].
( 44 )   Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation its messenger, they denied him, so We made them follow one another [to destruction], and We made them narrations. So away with a people who do not believe.

The promise is that Mohammed is the end of the chain. That's why Sunnies and Shiites -and so many Muslims- are obsessed with apocalypse. At least that's one of the main reasons, if we want to break it down.

But apocalypse is close since the time of Moses and the pharaohs, according to this verse:

Quote:Sura 20, The Quran:
( 9 )   And has the story of Moses reached you?
( 10 )   When he saw a fire and said to his family, "Stay here; indeed, I have perceived a fire; perhaps I can bring you a torch or find at the fire some guidance."
( 11 )   And when he came to it, he was called, "O Moses,
( 12 )   Indeed, I am your Lord, so remove your sandals. Indeed, you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa.
( 13 )   And I have chosen you, so listen to what is revealed [to you].
( 14 )   Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.
( 15 )   Indeed, the Hour is coming - I almost conceal it - so that every soul may be recompensed according to that for which it strives.

So it's quite close since before Christ and modern calendars.

In this concept, it strikes the string so strong: go back in time, and you'll find so many different people, reporting the same symptoms Mohammed displayed and reported. So many. In every culture; you'll find the same exact stories of a higher deity and another world in the sky.

makes you wonder !

(March 2, 2018 at 5:53 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's not the first. The Quran is a part of chain of messages that God kept sending to people on earth.
Remember: we're here for a reason; after all. And this is a test ground.

Lies, see, lol.

Quote:The promise is that Mohammed is the end of the chain. That's why Sunnies and Shiites -and so many Muslims- are obsessed with apocalypse. At least that's one of the main reasons, if we want to break it down.

"Don't listen to the next charlatan, my word is the final word". 

Quote:But apocalypse is close since the time of Moses and the pharaohs, according to this verse:

Oh good lord, the apocalypse has been close™ since the magic book your magic book cribbed from cribbed from another magic book.

Quote:makes you wonder !

Obviously it doesn't..because rather than seek to explain the human origin of a broadly human behavior you refer..instead..to the reality of djinn.  That's about as incurious as anyone could possibly be.

(January 16, 2018 at 1:23 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Atlas the Quran is not untouched over the many centuries. As was pointed out in the other thread about Hubble's discovery being in the Qur'an, the translations can change. Also in that same thread you mentioned getting taught Arabic from wahabi schools.

Which means they can teach whatever they want, then translate it into the Qur'an. I give you an example.

The example is the very thread about Hubble's discovery which you started. The verse you mentioned states literally, as in word for word, what they wanted it to, but only after Hubble's discovery. Before Hubble's discovery it was something different. But you'll never know the actual translation since they taught you "Arabic to English" the way they want to and after Hubble's discovery.

Now i know I can't  prove and won't be bothered to go check the entire Qur'an for changing translations and human alterations over the history. But it seems most probable. It must be hard to swallow and you will probably deny it But, you've been brainwashed and still are being brainwashed by the wahabi people you always mention and dislike a lot. No matter how much gymnastics you do and try to somehow convince yourself the Qur'an is any different from hadith and man made literature, it won't be a fact.

Wahhabies and Saudies in general, are very very very ignorant people, actually I'm not exaggerating when I say that the society in the kingdom is so late than modern human standards, and without the discovery of oil Saudies would still be nomads in the desert who can't even read.

The smart people are either in jail for trying to fix the society, or immigrating abroad to begin a new life away from the desert. Hubble is a mere "name" that you have to memorize to pass the geography test when you're 15.

In other words; you are giving these people too much credit. They don't have the mind or the will to lead a conspiracy like that. Even when invaded or hit, they bring America to defend their land because they don't have what it takes in terms of intelligence and intellectual knowledge to face their foes.

Arabic is a language. If Saudies and Wahhabies twisted a meaning or two on a website, they can never ever mess with ancient dictionaries, printed and produced by other Muslim Arabs. The language is well kept.

The Quran especially; is in a very ancient Arabic -probably one of the first written;too-. In between its pages; you can't mess with meanings because you'll be exposed, your only choice is using a corrupted explenation to justify your opinion.

Here's where the Hadith comes.

So..magic book was written in a foolproof magic language too?  How very magical. Tell us again how you find being lied to insulting. Personally, I appreciate a well delivered lie. It's the silly ones that irk me.....

Al queda obviously took a more broad view of that verse and decided that the whole of the U.S. was fighting against them, and thus justified the attacks. Both interpretations seem to have some validity. Theirs makes more sense really.

The fundies always have a more consistent view with regards to the internal logic of magic books.  That's what it means to be a fundy.  They might be crazier by a country mile, and their views may be in even less concordance with reality than "moderate" believers.........but by god those motherfuckers believe in the jots and the tittles.  

That's what I find so amusing about the trend of moderate believers telling us that the fundies are wrong.  They could only be wrong if their shared religions fundamental assumptions were wrong.

Well....agreed, right, lol?

(February 28, 2018 at 5:24 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

AtlasS33 Wrote:Nope; I bet your whole life is about following books; from the constitution of where you live, to the rules in this forum...etc.
Print them; and you got yourself a library !

Reading a book and following it are two different things. If you get an idea from a book that seems good to you and you use it, you're using your own judgment. If you commit to believing and acting on a book no matter what, you're abdicating your judgment.

I want to dare and say: that my judgement got reshaped after reading the book itself.
But that's your entrance to oppressing other opinions, and shares a lot with narcissism. I can't make that claim.

It's my own choice then. Own judgement as you say.

(March 2, 2018 at 6:23 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I want to dare and say: that my judgement got reshaped 

-from what..........? Are there any specific examples of a reshaped judgement that you could share? So,e particular item wherein before you read magic book your judgement said x..but..after, it said y?

(March 1, 2018 at 3:09 am)robvalue Wrote:

(December 23, 2017 at 10:53 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Clearest backmasking I ever heard !

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If Islam called for terrorism or the hurting of innocents; I will lose all respect to its author, making me an enemy of the faith.
Believe it or not; I'm willing to go that far -and I think I already did with the Hadith books-.

When I saw that Islam in its Sunni and Shiite versions alike, is bringing down humans to a level lower than imaginable in terms of mercy and respect to other human beings, I lost any respect the sects. That started my current belief.

If I lost respect to the author due to unjustified commands, I will become an enemy of that author.
But until now; every verse made me respect him more and more. I'm grateful that the faith led me to criticize murder, stuff like tactical bombing and nuclear bombing.

Without the religion; I would've been a different person. I have a softer heart due to it; I like that.
I'm sorry for you being a victim of terrorism; Boru.

So you do what the Quran says, as long as you agree with it?

I'm glad to hear you would reject the books at that point, but it shows that your judgement is your own, and not based on Islam.

It's my own. I can guarantee that. Being a puppet is insulting and I guess that hate is what makes the choice my own.