Still pushing his NDE bunk is he . 

And the quack Kenneth Ring


That says everything about you "journals"standards .

(March 12, 2018 at 4:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Howard Storm, lol.  At this point, listing off the silly things you -don't- believe in would take less time.

It sure seems that way, and what a weird tangent to take on a thread regarding what might be regarded as reasonable beliefs for a Christian to hold. He seems intent on making the case that xtians have no critical capacity whatsoever.

Some of the most religious and faithful people I know don't have any time for this sort of shit.  It's not that they don't believe in life after death, obviously...they just don't fawn over every charlatan with his hand out.

We aren't getting the cream of the crop here at af.

(March 12, 2018 at 1:48 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(March 12, 2018 at 11:39 am)He lives Wrote: Well he was pronounced dead twice. I believe he was brought back to life. Here is an article:

Dr. Kenneth Ring published a scientific paper in the Journal of Near-Death Studies (Summer, 1993) about people who have had a near-death experience (NDE) of a type providing verified evidence supporting the Afterlife Hypothesis. Such people suddenly find themselves outside of their bodies and observing detailed events happening far away, sometimes hundreds and thousands of miles away, which were later verified by third-parties to have actually occurred. This phenomenon is called "veridical perception" and it is currently unexplainable by modern medical science. Such verified out-of-body observations are highly suggestive of a reality where consciousness can survive apart from the physical body and perhaps survive even death. , where hospitals have attempted to monitor cardiac patients for possible NDEs as they occur in the hospital. Targets displaying random images are placed near the ceiling where out-of-body perceptions are more likely to occur during cardiac arrest. There already exists a substantial amount of anecdotal accounts of veridical perception, and it may only be a matter of time before out-of-body veridical perception is proven to exist under strict research controls which will satisfy the skeptics.

From: https://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html

[emphasis mine]

Explain to me how, even if true, this is necessarily explained by consciousness leaving the body rather than the equally likely explanation that the ability of clairvoyance -- seeing afar without leaving the body -- exists?  It seems like they're just assuming the explanation here is consciousness leaving the body because that's what they want to believe.  The actual evidence is that cases of veridical perception are rare and not very compelling.  Take the following supposed veridical perception of Carl Jung cited by your site as evidence that NDEs have influenced psychology.  In it, Jung describes the experience of viewing the earth from outer space.

Quote:.... Jung's experience is unique in that he saw the Earth from a vantage point of about a thousand miles above it. His incredibly accurate view of the Earth from outer space was described about two decades before astronauts in space first described it.

....   It seemed to me that I was high up in space. Far below I saw the globe of the Earth, bathed in a gloriously blue light. I saw the deep blue sea and the continents.  Far below my feet lay Ceylon, and in the distance ahead of me the subcontinent of India. My field of vision did not include the whole Earth, but its global shape was plainly distinguishable and its outlines shone with a silvery gleam through that wonderful blue light. In many places the globe seemed colored, or spotted dark green like oxidized silver. Far away to the left lay a broad expanse - the reddish-yellow desert of Arabia; it was as though the silver of the Earth had there assumed a reddish-gold hue. Then came the Red Sea, and far, far back - as if in the upper left of a map - I could just make out a bit of the Mediterranean. My gaze was directed chiefly toward that. Everything else appeared indistinct. I could also see the snow-covered Himalayas, but in that direction it was foggy or cloudy. ...

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/n...-jung.html

I don't see any details that could not have been known without venturing into space.  His description is little more than a vague description of what an earth bound observer might expect to see if they were to view the earth from outer space.  All the details which Jung mentions could easily have been known without going into outer space by a well educated man like Carl Jung.  Exactly how is this a veridical perception as alluded to?  It's worth noting that Jung makes only passing mention of cloud cover over the Himalayas, unlike the ubiquitous cloud cover one would see from outer space (see image below).

However it is clear that Carl Jung did have a NDE and in that he perceived the earth from above.

I saw a rabbit get pulled out of a hat once.

I saw a man levitate . A magician chop his own and off the replace it . etc etc etc

I had an experience a few nights back where I perceived my penis to be at least twice as large as it is..then I woke up.  I bet I have a huge spirit pecker. What other explanation could there possibly be?

I was dragging it through the dirt to till, you see...and I'm looking at it right now and it goes no further down than my knees.

(March 12, 2018 at 6:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I had an experience a few nights back where I perceived my penis to be at least twice as large as it is..then I woke up.  I bet I have a huge spirit pecker.  What other explanation could there possibly be?

I was dragging it through the dirt to till, you see...and I'm looking at it right now and it goes no further down than my knees.

Spirit penis pump 

(March 12, 2018 at 11:39 am)He lives Wrote: Although anecdotal evidence is not proof, it is still evidence. It has spawned large research projects at hospitals in many countries. I am confident that the proof is there and is forthcoming. I wonder if any atheists will engage in this research.

You treat atheists as if they've closed their minds off to certain possibilities. This is a mischaracterization. By-and-large, we are a skeptical crowd. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The problem with relying on anecdotal evidence is that it can be used to support untrue claims. It can be a good starting point for investigations, but not a good finishing point. As I pointed out before, claims about alien abduction and bigfoot rely on such evidence.

Don't treat us like we are unwilling to engage in substantiated claims. Don't treat us like we carry around prejudices. You know as well as I do that theists are the ones who typically don't give the other side a fair shake. I, personally, have challenged myself to take a good hard look at many theistic claims, and I still do so to this day. You treat atheists like a group of prejudiced individuals, unwilling to look at the other side, when the truth is, we've taken a good hard look at the other side of the argument and we're tired of it.

It's time for the theistic community to meet us half way. Until then, unless you have extraordinary evidence, please don't bother us with your extraordinary claims.

Quote:Although anecdotal evidence is not proof, it is still evidence. It has spawned large research projects at hospitals in many countries. I am confident that the proof is there and is forthcoming. I wonder if any atheists will engage in this research.

1. No it's not really even evidence . It's hearsay.

2. It has spawned a confirmation biased cabal of loons and charlatans . Who do shoddy circle jerks of no real scientific value . Then relieve themselves in a publication i'll named a journal .

3. Unlikely in the extreme .

4. Their is nothing for rational persons to engage . Accept the baseless ravings of a cargo cult .

So kindly quite pretending were running from your moonbat society. When we regard them in the same line as the homeless man outside raving and writing equations in his own shit .