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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 3:16 pm
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(March 14, 2018 at 1:36 pm)He lives Wrote: It is easier if you know what love is. God is love.
No. Only love is love.
And if you mean the god of the Bible, that god is not loving -- it is a maniacal, homicidal control freak with a torture and blood fetish. Equating it with love renders the word "love" meaningless.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 6:37 pm
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(March 14, 2018 at 1:54 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: (March 14, 2018 at 1:51 pm)He lives Wrote: No I wasn't there, however Charles Tart has very good credentials. Susan Blackmore once had a OBE herself which lasted for three hours, but has decided it wasn't real. She has indeed become very biased. I believe that is why she overlooked the obvious.
You can believe whatever you want. But you won't be taken seriously for a minute if you are unable or unwilling to recognize that this was a very poorly thought-out experiment.
I agree that it was not as well planned as it could have been. That is why it is not proof but it is evidence that more research is needed.
(March 14, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Astreja Wrote: (March 14, 2018 at 1:36 pm)He lives Wrote: It is easier if you know what love is. God is love.
No. Only love is love.
And if you mean the god of the Bible, that god is not loving -- it is a maniacal, homicidal control freak with a torture and blood fetish. Equating it with love renders the word "love" meaningless.
Why do parents have rules? Because they love you. Why do parents watch their children? Because they love them. Why do parents punish disobedient children? Because they love them. Why do parents encourage children to be the best they can be? Because they love them. Why do parents protect their children? Because they love them. God is a parent. Sometimes parenting is hard. A child may have to die in order to save others.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 6:52 pm
Quote:I agree that it was not as well planned as it could have been. That is why it is not proof but it is evidence that more research is needed.
Nope it's evidence your idea's have nothing to them .
Quote:Why do parents have rules? Because they love you. Why do parents watch their children? Because they love them. Why
do parents punish disobedient children? Because they love them. Why do parents encourage children to be the best they can be? Because they love them. Why do parents protect their children? Because they love them. God is a parent. Sometimes parenting is hard. A child may have to die in order to save others.
If your god were a parent . He would be in jail right now .
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 7:05 pm
(March 14, 2018 at 6:37 pm)He lives Wrote: Why do parents have rules? Because they love you. Why do parents watch their children? Because they love them. Why do parents punish disobedient children? Because they love them. Why do parents encourage children to be the best they can be? Because they love them. Why do parents protect their children? Because they love them. God is a parent. Sometimes parenting is hard. A child may have to die in order to save others.
I would never, under any circumstances, cause the death of my own child to save others. For a god to resort to such a sorry and despicable tactic is sufficient in my eyes to disqualify it as a source of goodness and love.
The only circumstances under which I am prepared to take a life is a direct, real-time takedown of someone who is putting me or other people in imminent danger (for instance, someone attacking with a lethal weapon). Even so, I would rather disable and disarm than kill.
Your alleged god, supposedly capable of creating an entire universe, is without excuse. Substitutionary atonement and hell are both epic moral failures.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 10:04 pm
(March 14, 2018 at 7:05 pm)Astreja Wrote: (March 14, 2018 at 6:37 pm)He lives Wrote: Why do parents have rules? Because they love you. Why do parents watch their children? Because they love them. Why do parents punish disobedient children? Because they love them. Why do parents encourage children to be the best they can be? Because they love them. Why do parents protect their children? Because they love them. God is a parent. Sometimes parenting is hard. A child may have to die in order to save others.
Astreja Wrote:I would never, under any circumstances, cause the death of my own child to save others. For a god to resort to such a sorry and despicable tactic is sufficient in my eyes to disqualify it as a source of goodness and love.
Quote: So if you had a son that was going to blow up a million people and the only way to prevent it was to kill him, you would let him blow them up?
Astreja Wrote:The only circumstances under which I am prepared to take a life is a direct, real-time takedown of someone who is putting me or other people in imminent danger (for instance, someone attacking with a lethal weapon). Even so, I would rather disable and disarm than kill.
Quote:I agree with this course of action, but not every situation is the same.
Astreja Wrote:Your alleged god, supposedly capable of creating an entire universe, is without excuse. Substitutionary atonement and hell are both epic moral failures.
Quote:God sacrificed his son to give everyone else on earth the opportunity to return to him. Jesus willingly became that sacrifice. It was the only possible way. However I am sure that you don't understand why this was the only way. That is because you don't understand the laws of the universe. Suffice it to say that God can not break his word.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 10:05 pm
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Sometimes parenting is hard for humans. Is it hard for God too?
(March 14, 2018 at 12:35 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (March 14, 2018 at 12:30 pm)He lives Wrote: It is not about join or you'll be sorry, it is learning the importance loving everyone through word and deed.
Which can adequately be done without adherence to religion.
Exactly. I don't know how you can end up with that message from the bible either without some extreme cherry picking. Putting people to death for almost anything doesn't seem to line up with that.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 10:07 pm
(March 14, 2018 at 6:52 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:I agree that it was not as well planned as it could have been. That is why it is not proof but it is evidence that more research is needed.
Nope it's evidence your idea's have nothing to them .
Quote:Why do parents have rules? Because they love you. Why do parents watch their children? Because they love them. Why
do parents punish disobedient children? Because they love them. Why do parents encourage children to be the best they can be? Because they love them. Why do parents protect their children? Because they love them. God is a parent. Sometimes parenting is hard. A child may have to die in order to save others.
If your god were a parent . He would be in jail right now .
Your opinion has been noted. We will agree to disagree.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 10:11 pm
(March 14, 2018 at 10:07 pm)He lives Wrote: Your opinion has been noted. We will agree to disagree.
lol, now I know who you are.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 10:15 pm
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Quote:Your opinion has been noted. We will agree to disagree.
My factual statement most certainly should be noted . And there's nothing to agree or disagree on . Your idea's have no substance to them .And your god is an abusive parent. And that is the fact of the matter . The only alternative is a denial of reality .
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 14, 2018 at 11:09 pm
(March 14, 2018 at 6:37 pm)He lives Wrote: (March 14, 2018 at 1:54 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: You can believe whatever you want. But you won't be taken seriously for a minute if you are unable or unwilling to recognize that this was a very poorly thought-out experiment.
I agree that it was not as well planned as it could have been. That is why it is not proof but it is evidence that more research is needed.
(March 14, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Astreja Wrote: No. Only love is love.
And if you mean the god of the Bible, that god is not loving -- it is a maniacal, homicidal control freak with a torture and blood fetish. Equating it with love renders the word "love" meaningless.
Why do parents have rules? Because they love you. Why do parents watch their children? Because they love them. Why do parents punish disobedient children? Because they love them. Why do parents encourage children to be the best they can be? Because they love them. Why do parents protect their children? Because they love them. God is a parent. Sometimes parenting is hard. A child may have to die in order to save others.
I suppose if your God's soldiers are particularly careful in choosing infants to dash against the stones the effect on the rest of the babies will be especially fine tuned.
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