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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 10:24 pm
(March 23, 2018 at 10:11 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You bounce from here to there like a rubber ball, Banned. I keep suggesting that you take breath. Is there some specific reason that you just can't do that?
If you can't, if you can't help but be the rubber ball....would it really be all that strange if people decided to just run with it, and fling you back and forth between them for the lulz? Would there even be anything wrong with it? You are, after all, intent on -being- the ball.
Your earlier statement that morality has nothing to do with evolution - is refuted by the majority of evolutionists like Dawkins, who make it very clear that morality developed in the animal world and that humans are just an extension of that.
So I take it you represent yourself here and not that community.
That's fine - your opinion on its own is important.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 10:26 pm
Quote:So rights are determined not by moral, but by power..
Seriously where do you get this shit .
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 10:27 pm
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(March 23, 2018 at 10:24 pm)Banned Wrote: (March 23, 2018 at 10:11 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You bounce from here to there like a rubber ball, Banned. I keep suggesting that you take breath. Is there some specific reason that you just can't do that?
If you can't, if you can't help but be the rubber ball....would it really be all that strange if people decided to just run with it, and fling you back and forth between them for the lulz? Would there even be anything wrong with it? You are, after all, intent on -being- the ball.
Your earlier statement that morality has nothing to do with evolution - is refuted by the majority of evolutionists like Dawkins, who make it very clear that morality developed in the animal world and that humans are just an extension of that.
So I take it you represent yourself here and not that community.
That's fine - your opinion on its own is important.
That's your statement, Banned, not mine..but why would it matter anyway? It's not as if you're interested in discussing the subject. You're just a bouncing ball...now bitching about dawkins... to me.... as though it were me, rather than yourself..who asserted that the noises shamans make when they shake their rattles is relevant.
This is a fairly common mistake of the afflicted, mind. So I don;t think that you're particularly silly for having made it..just normally silly..well within the range of expectation for a hopped up ape. Even if it is a little strange to find a hopped up ape who draws a complete blank on every moral question. Chimps are better informed on the subject than you...so..hey, you know..maybe some of us didn't evolve after all?
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 10:32 pm
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Quote:Your earlier statement that morality has nothing to do with evolution
It does not .
Quote: is refuted by the majority of evolutionists like Dawkins,
Dawkins is hardly the majority nor is he a moral philosopher. And their is no such thing as evolutionists . Evolution is a scientific fact not an ideology.
Quote:who make it very clear that morality developed in the animal world and that humans are just an extension of that.
Again Dawkins does not understand morality.
Quote:So I take it you represent yourself here and not that community.
There is no community . And plenty of people reject the idea that evolution is the basis of metaethics and except the theory(like the person who wrote the fucking links you ignored )
Quote:That's fine - your opinion on its own is important.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 24, 2018 at 12:06 am
(March 23, 2018 at 10:32 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Dawkins is hardly the majority nor is he a moral philosopher. And their is no such thing as evolutionists . Evolution is a scientific fact not an ideology.
There is no community . And plenty of people reject the idea that evolution is the basis of metaethics and except the theory(like the person who wrote the fucking links you ignored )
I am far from alone in my position .
How is the supposed development of an ideology not a scientific fact?
BTW evolution science teaches that morality was developed by the process of evolution.
If you disagree you don't have sufficient backup from that community, to be able to call it accepted by that community.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 24, 2018 at 12:55 am
(March 23, 2018 at 5:01 pm)Banned Wrote: The so called criminal and the well meaning citizen are no different in their fate, or their status once they're gone.
Why play nice when it gives someone a thrill to kill?
Because it matters now, when we can actually experience things.
If you can't understand this, just say so and we'll go on to other things. I can't teach you empathy over the Internet.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 24, 2018 at 2:20 am
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Quote:How is the supposed development of an ideology not a scientific fact?
What the hell are you talking about . Evolution is a scientific fact not an ideology.
Quote:BTW evolution science teaches that morality was developed by the process of evolution.
Nope evolution has no opinion on prescriptive or normative morality . Definitely not on prescriptive metaethics . So again ignorance .
Quote:If you disagree you don't have sufficient backup from that community,to be able to call it accepted by that community.
Once again accepting a scientific fact does not make it a community. And thus i don't need the acceptance of a community that does not exist . And yes plenty of people agree with me that evolution is not the basis for secular moral system. But i don't even need them as the fact moral facts are independent of evolution . (as the links you ignored rightly pointed out ) .
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 24, 2018 at 2:33 am
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(March 24, 2018 at 12:55 am)Astreja Wrote: ...Because it matters now, when we can actually experience things.
If you can't understand this, just say so and we'll go on to other things. I can't teach you empathy over the Internet.
What about "the now" and the "empathy" for the frustrated killer?
Who determines what is a crime and who deserves empathy?
How does what people experience matter when they are dead?
What is the significance of the unkown Egyptian in 1000 BC who giggled a lot?
(March 24, 2018 at 2:20 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Nope evolution has no opinion on prescriptive or normative morality . Definitely not on prescriptive metaethics . So again ignorance .
Once again accepting a scientific fact does not make it a community. And thus i don't need the acceptance of a community that does not exist . And yes plenty of people agree with me that evolution is not the basis for secular moral system. But i don't even need them as the fact moral facts are independent of evolution . (as the links you ignored rightly pointed out ) .
So you say that moral facts are independent of evolution.
So where do these morals come from?
The intrinsically righteous self?
(March 23, 2018 at 10:26 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:So rights are determined not by moral, but by power..
Seriously where do you get this shit .
(March 23, 2018 at 9:36 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Legality is not morality, next.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 24, 2018 at 2:44 am
(March 24, 2018 at 2:33 am)Banned Wrote: What about "the now" and the "empathy" for the frustrated killer?
Who determines what is a crime and who deserves empathy?
How does what people experience matter when they are dead?
What is the significance of the unkown Egyptian in 1000 BC who giggled a lot?
First of all, empathy is not something that is "deserved." It is something that is felt, or not felt, by individuals. It cannot be legislated. It can only be experienced.
It can only be experienced in the current moment.
The current moment is the only place that meaning, purpose and significance can actually exist. Adding an infinitely long life does not change this. Each and every moment must stand on its own, and each experienced moment is 100% subjective.
You really are bad at this.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 24, 2018 at 3:04 am
(March 24, 2018 at 2:44 am)Astreja Wrote: First of all, empathy is not something that is "deserved." It is something that is felt, or not felt, by individuals. It cannot be legislated. It can only be experienced.
It can only be experienced in the current moment.
The current moment is the only place that meaning, purpose and significance can actually exist. Adding an infinitely long life does not change this. Each and every moment must stand on its own, and each experienced moment is 100% subjective.
You really are bad at this.
I don't disagree with the value of the moment at all. The point is very valid.
I am questioning the values set out in evolution theories.
What's the difference between a child who died and an old man who died?
Nothing.
If that child has a name, and is set for the resurrection and eternal life and recognition, that's a different story, especially if every treasured moment in that person's life is able to be relived through a restored memory, but I am dealing with the dark side here.
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