(June 17, 2018 at 6:56 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:(June 17, 2018 at 5:41 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Book chapter and verse, or it didn't happen!!1!
Exhibit A. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
“2:223” Wrote: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . .
Quote:https://quran.com/2/223?translations=
Sura 2, The Quran:
Sahih International
(223) Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.
Dr. Ghali
(223) Your women are a tillage for you; so come up to your tillage however you decide, and place forward (good deeds) for yourselves; and be pious to Allah, and know that you will be meeting Him. And give good tidings to the believers.
We call it tillage; you call it "creampie", what's the difference?
Quote:Exhibit B. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
“2:228 “ Wrote: . . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . .
There is no verse with these exact words.
But the meant verse -2:228- is here:
Quote:https://quran.com/2/228
Sura 2, The Quran:
Sahih International
(228) Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have more right to take them back in this [period] if they want reconciliation. And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
Abdul Haleem
(228) Divorced women must wait for three monthly periods before remarrying, and, if they really believe in God and the Last Day, it is not lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs: their husbands would do better to take them back during this period, provided they wish to put things right. Wives have [rights] similar to their [obligations], according to what is recognized to be fair, and husbands have a degree [of right] over them: [both should remember that] God is almighty and wise.
I stressed in bald the variation in the translation, in pure Arabic the verse only says that husbands have a degree over the wives, the reason is mentioned here:
Quote:https://quran.com/4/34?translations=
Sura 4, The Quran:
Sahih International + my personal editing to make it as similar as possible to the original text:
(34) Men are in guardians of women by what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in absence what Allah would have them guard. But those from whom you fear arrogance - advise them; and forsake them in bed; and beat them. But if they obey you seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Men are "guardians" over women with two things:
1-What they have naturally -men were born with more muscles-
2-Their wealth -men were known from the dawn of history to be the bank of the family-.
That's the degree mentioned in 2:228.
As for beating the wife, Islam is not a feminist law where men live as submissive twats getting their lifetime cash sucked by Lacie Greene; women have brains and they can pretty much be violent and deadly even; a cranky wife should know that beating the guardian of her house is not quite...nice.
Personally, I believe in the Quran as a single block, so the above verse will not be carried on until:
Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.com/5/44?translations=20,102,101,85,17
Sahih International
(44) Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.
(45) And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
So, she has to beat me first. That is a type of arrogance; you know.
Entering the house to find a shoe thrown at my face will start up a fight, I can forgive her of course.
I think this is pretty normal in relationships.
But if you beat, never forget that an eye-for an eye. So if she slaps, I don't have the right to punch. Ever.
If she curse, I don't have the right to beat.
E
Quote:xhibit C. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
“ 4:11 “ Wrote: The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . .
Yes, men -until this day- need the money more than women in so many cases; we must spend on our loved ones, we must take care of whole houses financially, we have to take care of children financially, and any crack in this hierarchy proved to be a disaster on the society.
Quote:Exhibit D. A woman's testimony counts half of a man's testimony.
“ 2:282 “ Wrote: And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.
Women weren't great at math in days of old Arabia.
So financial contracts needed 2 women, notice that women weren't even allowed to be witnesses before.
Quote:Exhibit E. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man, they have sex, and then this second man divorces her.
“ 2:230 “ Wrote: And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . .
I didn't understand the problem with this one. It seems to me to be a prevention for divorce, I mean the verse is telling the man to keep his wife and not divorce, because if he did his divorced wife is not legal for him until she marries another. This is one reason making divorce hard for Muslim men.
Quote:Exhibit F. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
“ 4:24 “ Wrote: And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . .
You mean this verse:
Quote:https://quran.com/4/24-34
Sura 4, The Quran:
Sahih International
(24) And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.
"What your right hand posses" doesn't mean slaves, only Sunnie and Shiite Muslims interpret it like that. Personally, across the Quran, the property of the right hand is a level way higher than the "slave".
Quote:Exhibit G. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
“ 4:3 “ Wrote: And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession.
Yes. Better than paying whores.
Quote:Exhibit H. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
“ 4:129 “ Wrote: It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.
Islam is not shy from sex, I think it's pretty ironic since non-Muslims are known to have multiple lovers or even more at a single go.
Quote:Exhibit I. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
“ 4:34 “ Wrote:If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.
The whole verse is longer than what you quoted.
I have talked about it in the top.
Quote:Exhibit J. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.The verses are:
“ 65:1, 4 “ Wrote: 65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.
Quote:https://quran.com/65/1-11
Sura 65, The Quran:
Sahih International
(4) And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.
Women can get very late menstruation, see this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenorrhea
It's called Amenorrhea, and defined to be:
Quote:Amenorrhoea is the absence of a menstrual period in a woman of reproductive age.
