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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 10:23 am
The thing with gays is likely the same thing with not liking interracial marriage. There's this tribal belief that we need to keep "our group" pure, and outnumber the "others". Be fruitful and multiply, and also destroy the neighboring tribes and assimilate their virgins into your group for breeding purposes.
The only real issue with gay marriage is they're not going to be pumping out babies. In a world of seven billion people and counting, the only reason that would matter is if there's some kind of race going on for one group to outnumber the other.
Homophobia, racism, and xenophobia all stem from an outdated belief that Humanity isn't just one cohesive group.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 10:31 am
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2018 at 10:38 am by Amarok.)
Of course they will try and pull the Homosexuality can change or some shit as if that matters .
(July 13, 2018 at 10:23 am)Chad32 Wrote: The thing with gays is likely the same thing with not liking interracial marriage. There's this tribal belief that we need to keep "our group" pure, and outnumber the "others". Be fruitful and multiply, and also destroy the neighboring tribes and assimilate their virgins into your group for breeding purposes.
The only real issue with gay marriage is they're not going to be pumping out babies. In a world of seven billion people and counting, the only reason that would matter is if there's some kind of race going on for one group to outnumber the other.
Homophobia, racism, and xenophobia all stem from an outdated belief that Humanity isn't just one cohesive group. It's also the same in the fact we didn't tolerate them and did a hell of a lot more then call them names
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 10:41 am
(July 13, 2018 at 10:31 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Of course they will try and pull the Homosexuality can change or some shit as if that matters .
(July 13, 2018 at 10:23 am)Chad32 Wrote: The thing with gays is likely the same thing with not liking interracial marriage. There's this tribal belief that we need to keep "our group" pure, and outnumber the "others". Be fruitful and multiply, and also destroy the neighboring tribes and assimilate their virgins into your group for breeding purposes.
The only real issue with gay marriage is they're not going to be pumping out babies. In a world of seven billion people and counting, the only reason that would matter is if there's some kind of race going on for one group to outnumber the other.
Homophobia, racism, and xenophobia all stem from an outdated belief that Humanity isn't just one cohesive group. It's also the same in the fact we didn't tolerate them and did a hell of a lot more then call them names
Yeah, some of it is projection. Christians did so many horrible things, and some believe if given the chance, the other groups will do the exact same thing in return.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 10:44 am
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Oh and if Road going to say he's not violent or rude to gays like the clan . There was a whole sub set of Klans men who were not violent they simply believed that blacks were less then them(believing someones is not living to your standard of sexual normalcy thou it's irrational is no different ) and that interracial marriage was an abomination.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 11:09 am
(July 13, 2018 at 9:35 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (July 13, 2018 at 8:39 am)polymath257 Wrote: OK, so you aren't scared of homosexuality, you are bigoted against it.
No; If you mean that I think that homosexual activity is a sin and immoral. I don't think that disagreement or thinking that something is wrong, means that you are intolerant. When you loosen the definition that much, then you are a bigot as well.
I think it's poor polemics to stretch the definition of emotionally charged words, and then go on to equivocating them afterwards.
*TWEET* 10-yard penalty for tu quoque fallacy on the field.
If you think that someone is immoral, RR, then whether it's opinion or bigotry is irrelevant. Both are red flags useful for identifying hostile people so that they can be weeded out of one's circle of acquaintances.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 11:17 am
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(July 13, 2018 at 10:17 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: It would help the case of religious people if they could make a rational argument for the immorality of gay sex. But they can't do that. That's why it's bigoted.
There should at least be an attempt to correctly characterize the other side's position in a civil discussion.
1. Marriage was ordained between a man and a woman from the beginning--with no ambiguity.
2. Sexual immorality is sex outside of marriage.
3. Sexual immorality is a sin.
4. Homosexual activity is outside of marriage (from 1)
5. Homosexual activity is a sin (from 2 and 3).
Then again, there are very few that want to have a discussion...and even less at AF.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 11:22 am
(July 13, 2018 at 11:17 am)SteveII Wrote: (July 13, 2018 at 10:17 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: It would help the case of religious people if they could make a rational argument for the immorality of gay sex. But they can't do that. That's why it's bigoted.
There should at least be an attempt to correctly characterize the other side's position in a civil discussion.
1. Marriage was ordained between a man and a woman from the beginning--with no ambiguity.
2. Sexual immorality is sex outside of marriage.
3. Sexual immorality is a sin.
4. Homosexual activity is outside of marriage (from 1)
5. Homosexual activity is a sin (from 2 and 3).
Then again, there are very few that want to have a discussion...and even less at AF.
Marriage is a social construct that can be changed. Just like at some point it was decided that monogamy was the proper way to do things, even though polygamy was the way it was done for most of history. Including pedophilia. If we can change that, we can change it so all consenting adults can get married, regardless of gender. Because they're adults. If you can't make a good argument for it being wrong, it shouldn't be wrong.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 11:23 am
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2018 at 11:24 am by Mister Agenda.)
(July 13, 2018 at 11:17 am)SteveII Wrote: (July 13, 2018 at 10:17 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: It would help the case of religious people if they could make a rational argument for the immorality of gay sex. But they can't do that. That's why it's bigoted.
There should at least be an attempt to correctly characterize the other side's position in a civil discussion.
1. Marriage was ordained between a man and a woman from the beginning--with no ambiguity.
2. Sexual immorality is sex outside of marriage.
3. Sexual immorality is a sin.
4. Homosexual activity is outside of marriage (from 1)
5. Homosexual activity is a sin (from 2 and 3).
Then again, there are very few that want to have a discussion...and even less at AF.
In your version of your religion. Why should your version of religion be law? And, 'it's a sin in my religion' is not a rational argument for why something should not be allowed.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 11:23 am
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2018 at 11:24 am by Amarok.)
Quote:There should at least be an attempt to correctly characterize the other side's position in a civil discussion.
Nope that your real position just not the one you'll admit to.
Quote:1. Marriage was ordained between a man and a woman from the beginning--with no ambiguity.
Who cares
Quote:2. Sexual immorality is sex outside of marriage.
No it's not
Quote:3. Sexual immorality is a sin.
To bad homosexuality is not immoral and their is zilch evidence of sin
Quote:4. Homosexual activity is outside of marriage (from 1)
Not if the gay people are married
Quote:5. Homosexual activity is a sin (from 2 and 3).
See 2 and three
Quote:Then again, there are very few that want to have a discussion...and even less at AF.
Because in this case there is nothing to discuss your position is baseless bigoted tripe camouflaged as a legit position
(July 13, 2018 at 11:23 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (July 13, 2018 at 11:17 am)SteveII Wrote: There should at least be an attempt to correctly characterize the other side's position in a civil discussion.
1. Marriage was ordained between a man and a woman from the beginning--with no ambiguity.
2. Sexual immorality is sex outside of marriage.
3. Sexual immorality is a sin.
4. Homosexual activity is outside of marriage (from 1)
5. Homosexual activity is a sin (from 2 and 3).
Then again, there are very few that want to have a discussion...and even less at AF.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 13, 2018 at 11:29 am
These silly homophobes don;t think they;re homophobes because they reckon god;s a homophobe, lol. It;s the "it;s not a threat if it;s true" theory all over again.
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