(August 15, 2018 at 9:35 am)Khemikal Wrote: Benny, it's pointless to rehabilitate the man when talking to me.  

That may be something you need to do to feel comfortable with your personal investment in him....but I don't have one, don't need to do it, and won't swallow it anyway.  The simple act of connecting assault and identity politics is to drink the koolaid...of identity politics.  Peterson bats for the young white male suffering anxiety.  That's his brand.

Oh, I'm pretty comfortable with it, and I'll say it straight out-- he's speaking my language.  I'd say if anything, I'm probably a little more extreme in my views than he is, or at least than he is willing to put forward publicly.

When I have to pretend that Caitlyn Jenner is a pretty pretty princess, and people seriously suggest that I should use "ze" and "zir," then I'm brought to the realization-- there's no fucking end to the insanity; there's no amount of compromise that will bring a light at the end of the tunnel, no amount of restitution or sympathy that will make it fine for me just to wake up in the morning and be what I am.

But in the end, I can choose whether to be complicit in all that.  None of these special snowflakes actually HAS anything on me.  I have a wife who puts up with me, children who are clearly turning out mostly okay, and I run my own business.  I have actual abilities upon which I can rely, and enough personal discipline to gradually improve my position in life over time.

And therein lies the rub.  Real power isn't found in legislation, or in witty memes in online forums.  It's found in creating things, real things in the real world, through ambition and an aggressive pursuit of goals.  The noisy college kids and angry feminists can squawk all they want, but in the end, they're going to have to shower and shave, sit in an office much like mine, and explain how they intend to contribute something more to the word than organic, gluten-free farts.

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(August 15, 2018 at 10:00 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm going to have to admit I may have been stretching when I talked about the subtitle of the book. It's possible this was a coincidence, and not him putting "women are cunts" in plain sight on the cover. I may have given him too much credit. I've began to think like him. To catch a monster, you have to become a monster. So I just squeezed the toothpaste right from the middle.

Anyhow, here's another video of him saying some crazy shit.

Um. . . how could a person be any more right than this?

He's not saying "bitches be crazy."  He's saying that if another man is crazy, there's always that implicit remedy-- "Let's take this outside."  If a woman really digs in her heels and decides she wants to make trouble for you, what can you do, no matter how unreasonable she is? Nothing. There's literally no restraint on a woman no matter how out of line she gets-- and plenty of women know and game this fact.

(August 15, 2018 at 12:16 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Oh, I'm pretty comfortable with it, and I'll say it straight out-- he's speaking my language.  I'd say if anything, I'm probably a little more extreme in my views than he is, or at least than he is willing to put forward publicly.

Good, then stop rehabilitating him.  

Quote:When I have to pretend that Caitlyn Jenner is a pretty pretty princess, and people seriously suggest that I should use "ze" and "zir," then I'm brought to the realization-- there's no fucking end to the insanity; there's no amount of compromise that will bring a light at the end of the tunnel, no amount of restitution or sympathy that will make it fine for me just to wake up in the morning and be what I am.

You don't have to pretend that Jenner is a pretty princess anymore than Peterson was going to get gulaged for being a bigoted asshole who thinks marxists are hiding under every bed.  That's your anxiety talking.  

Quote:But in the end, I can choose whether to be complicit in all that.  None of these special snowflakes actually HAS anything on me.  I have a wife who puts up with me, children who are clearly turning out mostly okay, and I run my own business.  I have actual abilities upon which I can rely, and enough personal discipline to gradually improve my position in life over time.

...................okay...........

Quote:And therein lies the rub.  Real power isn't found in legislation, or in witty memes in online forums.  It's found in creating things, real things in the real world, through ambition and an aggressive pursuit of goals.  The noisy college kids and angry feminists can squawk all they want, but in the end, they're going to have to shower and shave, sit in an office much like mine, and explain how they intend to contribute something more to the word than organic, gluten-free farts.

Some people think that bringing about a less bigoted and more egalitarian world is an immense contribution to humanity....and alot of those people also have jobs. I really don't know where you intend to go with this other than to express how your own internal anxiety becomes hateful and ignorant as you project it out onto the world.

Okay what video do you want next? I've got him screaming at a rabbit or running around a hospital shooting a nail gun.

Quote:When I have to pretend that Caitlyn Jenner is a pretty pretty princess, and people seriously suggest that I should use "ze" and "zir," then I'm brought to the realization-- there's no fucking end to the insanity; there's no amount of compromise that will bring a light at the end of the tunnel, no amount of restitution or sympathy that will make it fine for me just to wake up in the morning and be what I am.

Oh no you might have too acknowledge trans people exist and that they have separate pronouns . Woe is you your so downtrodden . 

Quote:But in the end, I can choose whether to be complicit in all that.  None of these special snowflakes actually HAS anything on me.  I have a wife who puts up with me, children who are clearly turning out mostly okay, and I run my own business.  I have actual abilities upon which I can rely, and enough personal discipline to gradually improve my position in life over time.

And you have gone full everyone is out to get me mode .The Benny's burden "

Quote:And therein lies the rub.  Real power isn't found in legislation, or in witty memes in online forums.  It's found in creating things, real things in the real world, through ambition and an aggressive pursuit of goals.  The noisy college kids and angry feminists can squawk all they want, but in the end, they're going to have to shower and shave, sit in an office much like mine, and explain how they intend to contribute something more to the word than organic, gluten-free farts.

Wow demeaning and mischaracterizing people who actually fighting the good fight for a actually better world . Well you settled for the shit one we have now and indulge in the rat race for scraps

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(August 15, 2018 at 2:55 pm)robvalue Wrote: Okay what video do you want next? I've got him screaming at a rabbit or running around a hospital shooting a nail gun.

So Rob are you impressed or are you going to be one of "the noisy kids who actually believes in things or embrace Benny's land of "joy"

Keep in mind the guy is qualified enough to have an opinion on these types of psychological matters.

When you criticise him at least admit that there is a high chance he is actually right and you are in the wrong.

Why would i do that for Peterson? If i don't do that for William Lane Craig or Alvin Plantinga or  Stephen C. Meyer. Credentials don't make them honest on all matters .

(August 15, 2018 at 5:31 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Why would i do that for Peterson? If i don't do that for William Lane Craig or Alvin Plantinga or  Stephen C. Meyer. Credentials don't make them honest on all matters .

Lol William Lane Craig is theology, that crap doesn't count. What's next? Comparing doctor of medicine to doctor of gender studies?

(August 15, 2018 at 5:16 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Keep in mind the guy is qualified enough to have an opinion on these types of psychological matters.

He isn't the darling of male anxiety because of his expertise or qualifications.

Quote:When you criticise him at least admit that there is a high chance he is actually right and you are in the wrong.

..............lol, his work on personality traits is widely cited and well respected. His work on all the marxists hiding in the closet and how women and transgender people are white genociding men... isn't.

(August 15, 2018 at 5:39 pm)SaStrike Wrote:

(August 15, 2018 at 5:31 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Why would i do that for Peterson? If i don't do that for William Lane Craig or Alvin Plantinga or  Stephen C. Meyer. Credentials don't make them honest on all matters .

Lol William Lane Craig is theology, that crap doesn't count. What's next? Comparing doctor of medicine to doctor of gender studies?

He's an expert on the theology which while we may not like it is a field. And gender studies is a field of study as well .

(August 15, 2018 at 5:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(August 15, 2018 at 5:16 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Keep in mind the guy is qualified enough to have an opinion on these types of psychological matters.

He isn't the darling of male anxiety because of his expertise or qualifications.

Quote:When you criticise him at least admit that there is a high chance he is actually right and you are in the wrong.

..............lol, his work on personality traits is widely cited and well respected. His work on all the marxists hiding in the closet and how women and transgender people are white genociding men... isn't.

Apparently it's the opposite of this, he gained popularity because of the latter? Now popular doesn't always mean correct but in these types of debates there isn't really even a right or wrong.

I'm just unsure of what is actually "better" for society. Why is your or my or anyone's views better than his? What do you or I have over him? Experience? Morality? Years of research?

Maybe he might be right (with certain things, no one is right about everything), and some of what he is saying could actually improve society.