At this point sending in Lord Buckethead couldn’t make things any worse.

What is the Gvt program of lord buckethead? He might have interesting ideas on the bucket. Beats Trump.

(October 21, 2018 at 3:26 am)Jade-Green Stone Wrote:

(July 9, 2018 at 11:36 am)Minimalist Wrote: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/uks-bre...son-steps/




As someone once noted:  Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse.

Of course, when you add grandstanding politicians into the mix it can really fuck things up.

This is proves how small my bubble is about the larger world, but then again I don't watch the news all that's on at my house, and all that is ever allowed is Fox News and trusted sites. AKA little info about the truth and more so propaganda that makes your ears bleed out anything relevant and you become a soul dead conservative zombie too this bullshit, luckily logic, reason, and questioning things save me from it.

Moving on, No idea what this Brexit plan is, searching it up as we speak/type. But from the sound of it, reminds me of what happens every time someone is left by themselves. Countries remind me of little kids, leave them alone for two seconds you come back to what you hope is brown marker on the walls. 

The brexit plan is, simply: "Hope that the EU doesn't ralise that it's no longer 1850 and we no longer rule half the world and then we'll be able to intimidate them into giving us all the benefits of membership without suffering any of the obligations".

There are two problems with this plan 1) The UK no longer rules half the world, it barely rules the island of Britain and 2) the EU's existence depends on everybody playing by the same rules, if the UK got a sweetheart deal the EU falls apart.

Oh, and on the DUP's tripe about not letting Northern Ireland be part of a separate customs arrangement from Britain, it already is part of such an arrangement. What the DUP are trying to do is turn back the clock in the 6 counties to 1921 in a vain attempt to negate the nationalist majority coming in five years or so.

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(October 21, 2018 at 4:54 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 21, 2018 at 3:26 am)Jade-Green Stone Wrote: Moving on, No idea what this Brexit plan is

There is no viable Brexit plan. There can't be. Any plan will basically be shit for the country and the economy. And the the country is too divided to agree to anything. No remainer is going to agree to a plan. They want Brexit cancelled. The Leave side is bitterly divided too between those who want a soft Brexit that tries to keep the best things about being in the EU and those who want an all out hard Brexit and want rid of it completely.

So the default is a hard Brexit with no deal. And regardless of the fear this happening, it's almost impossible to avoid because of the Northern Ireland issue. A hard Brexit means a border between the country of Ireland and Northern Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom. And this means the troubles come back (terrorism, shootings, bombs etc). The peace treaty that stopped the troubles insists on there being no border. The EU wants there to be a border in the Irish Sea instead. The Northern Irish party popping up the British government insist that this is unacceptable as they don't want Northern Ireland separated from the UK and they are willing to call another general election if the Tories agree to it.

So in a word, we're utterly fucked unless we can get a second referendum and stop it before next March. But the Tories want Brexit and they are the ones in power for the moment. But nor is there any viable opposition to the Tories because the leader of the opposition also wants Brexit so he can reshape the country according to his ideological beliefs. The Tories just want to asset strip the country and profit from it personally.

At this stage a second referendum won't work. The negotiation stratetgy of "piss of every European government at every turn" has seen to that. At this stage only Ireland, and msybe Hungary will vote to allow a revocation of Art. 50.

It is a consequence of the English failing of thinking they are the only side that matters in EU negotiations.

It looks like the EU is enjoying brexit so much, it wants to make brexit last longer.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lis...le-50.html

Here is a link to article 50. It is only a few paragraphs long. There is provision to extend the 2 year cut off period that would require agreement from other EU countries. It says nothing about what happens if a country changes its mind after triggering A50 but before the 2 years has passed ( probably because nobody imagined that situation would arise).
My conclusion is that if UK formally announces it no longer wishes to continue with the process that we would simply continue as things are with all the rebates etc intact. Of course everyone would be pissed off with the colossal waste of time and effort, but it would be business as usual.

(October 21, 2018 at 8:50 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

I think you might run out of popcorn

Maybe I nailed it with my last post. 🤔

(October 21, 2018 at 8:33 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lis...le-50.html

Here is a link to article 50. It is only a few paragraphs long. There is provision to extend the 2 year cut off period that would require agreement from other EU countries. It says nothing about what happens if a country changes its mind after triggering A50 but before the 2 years has passed ( probably because nobody imagined that situation would arise).
My conclusion is that if UK formally announces it no longer wishes to continue with the process that we would simply continue as things are with all the rebates etc intact. Of course everyone would be pissed off with the colossal waste of time and effort, but it would be business as usual.

And your conclusion would be wrong. Because in any negotiating process, there are two sides which have to agree on the final product. And any revocation of Article 50 will either a) be unilateral by the UK but not recognised by the EU (therefore no-deal Brexit) or b) by giving significant concessions to get the EU to agree which will mean, at least, entering Schengen and the Euro, acceptance of tighter bank controls and a Robin Hood International Transactions Tax and the revocation of the rebates and the other opt outs only the UK gets (and likely to include the cessation of Gibraltar, the bringing back in of the tax haven colonies under direct rule {or their full independence outside the EU, where they'll starve}). The simple fact of the matter is that the UK will not be allowed to stay in the EU on anything better than they'd be given if they reapplied to join twenty years after brexit. The UK under current conditions is too destructive of the EUs unity and goals.

Essentially, the EU cannot afford to give the UK a good deal to either leave or remain in the EU (aside from leaving under the Norway model) because that would be the quickest way to ensure that other countries would also buck for the exit, countries more central to the EU project than the UK ever was.

This will also affect the exports of Porto wine to England. Its bad for everyone. Worser for the isolationist.