Quote:In the last verse, we see Noah finally die (at the age of 950).

What kind of a dumb fuck do you have to be to believe that nonsense?

(October 26, 2018 at 3:10 pm)ronedee Wrote: Sorry, late to the show but here is the meaning of Genesis 1.1

1. In the [beginning] God created, the [Heaven] and the [Earth].

There you have it: Time - Space - Matter.... in the proper order I might add! All dependent on each other.

God isn't dependent on any of these items. We are! And to think God is subject to His own creation is dumb. 
Saying "before the beginning", is doing just that. Nothing "but" God predates time!

If you want to understand God, you have to first think like Him!


Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


.... more later! maybe

Which is the same as saying god is either unintelligible or exactly the same as no god at all

Quote:Sorry, late to the show but here is the meaning of Genesis 1.1

Don't fret, Ronny.  Other idiots have been picking up your slack.  They are no worse at it than you are.

(October 26, 2018 at 3:10 pm)ronedee Wrote: 1. In the [beginning] God created, the [Heaven] and the [Earth].

There you have it: Time - Space - Matter.... in the proper order I might add! All dependent on each other.

How did you come up with that order? If they are all dependant on each other, doesn't that suggest simultaneous manifestation? Also, according to some scientists time and space are merely different dimensions of the same phenomenon. I don't see much coherence in your statements. Would you please explain yourself?

Quote:If you want to understand God, you have to first think like Him!

I'll leave thinking like a god to you theists. (You guys are way better at it than I am, anyway.) I'll just stick to trying to think like a human being who has his head screwed on straight, thank you. That's hard enough as it is.

The position that ultimately humans arrive, ("we don't know / we can't know".. therefore must just "carry on" as the French Enlightenment said "il faut cultiver notre jardin") ... atheists, agnostics, AND believers ALL ... at the same place (intellectually) is a traditional (European) Christian position. Suprise. 

The highest form of Christian practice was described by the Medieval mystics (John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila, ... with their "Dark Night of the Souls", earlier the desert mystic John of Ford), and the unknown writer of the Medieval "Cloud of Unknowing" :  https://www.catholicspiritualdirection.o...nowing.pdf , and in the modern era, the famous Catholic writer, Thomas Merton. This position is also virtually equivalent to that of Chinese Tao practice and various Buddhist practice, in a practical sense. Merton recognized that, and in fact died in the Far East at a conference about just that subject.

Genesis 10

This passage is referred to as the Table of Nations. Just more genealogy stuff, this one tracing lines of descent from all three of Noah's sons to the clans and nations of the world at the time. No numbers to deal with here. One thing worth mentioning is that this passage mentions a mighty warrior and hunter by the name of Nimrod. Apparently, he's supposed to have been a very popular figure who built cities and all that. It doesn't seem like he's mentioned much elsewhere, though. I'm guessing an earlier and more elaborate account of Nimrod was written down on some ancient tablet that's now lost forever ... or it was a popular oral tradition at the time, but never got penned down.

(October 27, 2018 at 9:12 am)Grandizer Wrote: Genesis 10

This passage is referred to as the Table of Nations. Just more genealogy stuff, this one tracing lines of descent from all three of Noah's sons to the clans and nations of the world at the time. No numbers to deal with here. One thing worth mentioning is that this passage mentions a mighty warrior and hunter by the name of Nimrod. Apparently, he's supposed to have been a very popular figure who built cities and all that. It doesn't seem like he's mentioned much elsewhere, though. I'm guessing an earlier and more elaborate account of Nimrod was written down on some ancient tablet that's now lost forever ... or it was a popular oral tradition at the time, but never got penned down.

One study Bible I have says that Nimrod may be another name for Sargon I. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargon_I

(October 27, 2018 at 9:12 am)Grandizer Wrote: Genesis 10

This passage is referred to as the Table of Nations. Just more genealogy stuff, this one tracing lines of descent from all three of Noah's sons to the clans and nations of the world at the time. No numbers to deal with here. One thing worth mentioning is that this passage mentions a mighty warrior and hunter by the name of Nimrod. Apparently, he's supposed to have been a very popular figure who built cities and all that. It doesn't seem like he's mentioned much elsewhere, though. I'm guessing an earlier and more elaborate account of Nimrod was written down on some ancient tablet that's now lost forever ... or it was a popular oral tradition at the time, but never got penned down.

Just more shit borrowed/stolen from the Assiyrians and Babylonians.  The johnny-come-lately jews were much better at plagiarism than at creativity.

Quote:According to Ronald Hendel the name Nimrod is probably a polemical distortion of the god Ninurta, a prominent god in Mesopotamian religion who had cult centers in a number of Assyrian cities such as Kalhu, and also in Babylon, and was a patron god of a number of Assyrian kings.[28] Nimrod's imperial ventures described in Genesis may be based on the conquests of the Assyrian king Tukulti-Ninurta I (Dalley et al., 1998, p. 67). Julian Jaynes also indicates Tukulti-Ninurta I (a powerful king of the Middle Assyrian Empire) as the origin for Nimrod.[

(October 26, 2018 at 12:41 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: fake news... but at least everything was spelled ok.. guess that means you can still be considered to be smart in your circles even if everything you believe is foolishly wrong..
this establishes a time line that highly contradicts you it also puts the Jews as slaves in egypt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJZ9QQv6gCk

avaris and proof Joseph and the Jews lived here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLNiftDZXYA

and if you have the huevos to have your whole little world rocked in great detail with examinations of many many different points of evidence here is a longer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEm-ovpMM5c

Now understand the difference between what you posted and what the videos have??? REAL EVIDENCE do you know this word??? it is the difference betwenn you making crap up/fake news and a very likely interpretation of what actually went down.

Lest you can bring some evidence to the party that counters what has been offered via the videos just keep your speculative nonsense to yourself..

I did. THE best archaeologists and scholars known. (Of course you don't know them as you're a "fake expert". 
You Fundy crap videos are ALL Fake News. 
The Jews themselves know the Exodus is all bogus, (as my link PROVES) and YOU have not a shred of evidence for it. 

Almost a million people wandering around in a desert ? LMAO. 
NOT ONE shred of evidence they were ever there. 

History KNOWS (no matter what your crap videos make up) that EGYPT controlled the entire Near East INCLUDING Canaan ... why in hell would they go from Egypt to Canaan when Egypt was the master of Canaan ALSO. 

Yeah ... you got nothing. Your holy book is nothing but mythology. 
A person who doesn't know the difference between an hypothesis and what hypo-stasis is ought to be going back to get a GED, not pretending they actually know something.
BTW, you exposed yourself for the lying troll you are. From the time I posted it, to your response, there was not time to watch even part of the video.
Lying for Jesus is still lying.
Again, are the likes of you the best your Jebus can do. Please pray he sends someone competent. You're fighting OLD settled fights that are LONG AGO settled. No scholar actually still buys into the Exodus.
You're about 50 years behind the times.

You yourself did not take even ONE actual historical point in everything I wrote, and, with evidence, explain why it's wrong. You are not competent to do so. All you can do is post crap you are not capable of justifying or explaining.

Some REAL history

Simcha Jacobovici is NOT an archaeologist, nor is he in any way an expert on anything relevant. 
"His parents were from Iași, Romania.[1] Simcha Jacobovici earned a B.A. in Philosophy and Political Science (with honors) from McGill University and an M.A. in International Relations from the University of Toronto. He is an Adjunct Professor of Religious Studies at Huntington University,[2] an affiliate of Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario. Jacobovici has been a guest lecturer at numerous conferences and on various campuses including Yale University, Johns Hopkins University, McGill University, UCLA and . He is married and the father of five children." He's not even trained in the Bible. Do try harder finding some evidence. 

The evidence I posted was from actual experts.

So, that's all you got? kill the messenger... no wonder you put such importance in my spelling... you honestly think that is you taint the messenger's credibility you do not have to address the message. what a small minded person you've shown yourself to be. in the real world you know the world that elected trump despite the best efforts of people such as yourself.. Real people are not playing those games any more real people demand answers to the material or the promises made they are not concerned by the package the message is wrapped in so much as the content of the message it self. I provided 3 video that conclusively show everything I pointed to. If you want to be apart of this conversation then show me stronger source.. you can't just say some one is a stupid head and expect me to take you seriously.

---

(October 26, 2018 at 2:43 pm)unfogged Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote:   empty conjecture and proofless speculation..

No, that'd be religion, but I appreciate the irony.  It is always funny as hell when theists demonstrate a complete lack of self-awareness.

No again that would literally be post 181. At least I can reference the bible. buckster can't or hasn't referenced anything...  but I appreciate the irony.  It is always funny as hell when atheists demonstrate a complete lack of self-awareness.

---

(October 26, 2018 at 3:43 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 12:31 pm)Drich Wrote: avaris and proof Joseph and the Jews lived here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLNiftDZXYA

Quote:In Exodus Decoded filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici suggested that Yaqub-Har was the Patriarch Jacob, on the basis of a signet ring found in the Hyksos capital Avaris that read "Yakov/Yakub" (from Yaqub-her), similar to the Hebrew name of the Biblical patriarch Jacob (Ya'aqov). Jacobovici ignores the fact that Yaqub-Har is a well-attested pharaoh of the Second Intermediate Period; and Yakov and variants are common Semitic (not just Hebrew) names from the period. Furthermore, Jacobovici provides absolutely no explanation as to why Joseph would have a signet ring with the name of his father Jacob, and not his own, which is a modern-day equivalent of signing legal contracts with a signature of one's father.

Wikipedia || Yaqub-Har

see buckster this is how something is refuted.. now all jorge has to do is refute the other 1.5 hour video which actually brings us to what is said to be joseph's tomb, joseph's canal and the 1200 semitic towns they are uncovering.

(October 29, 2018 at 9:08 am)Drich Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 12:41 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: I did. THE best archaeologists and scholars known. (Of course you don't know them as you're a "fake expert". 
You Fundy crap videos are ALL Fake News. 
The Jews themselves know the Exodus is all bogus, (as my link PROVES) and YOU have not a shred of evidence for it. 

Almost a million people wandering around in a desert ? LMAO. 
NOT ONE shred of evidence they were ever there. 

History KNOWS (no matter what your crap videos make up) that EGYPT controlled the entire Near East INCLUDING Canaan ... why in hell would they go from Egypt to Canaan when Egypt was the master of Canaan ALSO. 

Yeah ... you got nothing. Your holy book is nothing but mythology. 
A person who doesn't know the difference between an hypothesis and what hypo-stasis is ought to be going back to get a GED, not pretending they actually know something.
BTW, you exposed yourself for the lying troll you are. From the time I posted it, to your response, there was not time to watch even part of the video.
Lying for Jesus is still lying.
Again, are the likes of you the best your Jebus can do. Please pray he sends someone competent. You're fighting OLD settled fights that are LONG AGO settled. No scholar actually still buys into the Exodus.
You're about 50 years behind the times.

You yourself did not take even ONE actual historical point in everything I wrote, and, with evidence, explain why it's wrong. You are not competent to do so. All you can do is post crap you are not capable of justifying or explaining.

Some REAL history

Simcha Jacobovici is NOT an archaeologist, nor is he in any way an expert on anything relevant. 
"His parents were from Iași, Romania.[1] Simcha Jacobovici earned a B.A. in Philosophy and Political Science (with honors) from McGill University and an M.A. in International Relations from the University of Toronto. He is an Adjunct Professor of Religious Studies at Huntington University,[2] an affiliate of Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario. Jacobovici has been a guest lecturer at numerous conferences and on various campuses including Yale University, Johns Hopkins University, McGill University, UCLA and . He is married and the father of five children." He's not even trained in the Bible. Do try harder finding some evidence. 

The evidence I posted was from actual experts.

So, that's all you got? kill the messenger... no wonder you put such importance in my spelling... you honestly think that is you taint the messenger's credibility you do not have to address the message. what a small minded person you've shown yourself to be. in the real world you know the world that elected trump despite the best efforts of people such as yourself.. Real people are not playing those games any more real people demand answers to the material or the promises made they are not concerned by the package the message is wrapped in so much as the content of the message it self. I provided 3 video that conclusively show everything I pointed to. If you want to be apart of this conversation then show me stronger source.. you can't just say some one is a stupid head and expect me to take you seriously.

---

(October 26, 2018 at 2:43 pm)unfogged Wrote: No, that'd be religion, but I appreciate the irony.  It is always funny as hell when theists demonstrate a complete lack of self-awareness.

No again that would literally be post 181. At least I can reference the bible. buckster can't or hasn't referenced anything...  but I appreciate the irony.  It is always funny as hell when atheists demonstrate a complete lack of self-awareness.

---

see buckster this is how something is refuted.. now all jorge has to do is refute the other 1.5 hour video which actually brings us to what is said to be joseph's tomb, joseph's canal and the 1200 semitic towns they are uncovering.

Of all people here, YOU are the last one who is in a position tell anyone how something is done. But nice try, patronizing one.  
AFTER being shown that the videos you referenced were made by an incompetent charlatan, (not unlike yourself), you REPEAT your mistake, and pile on the SAME erroneous crap. The problem is "what is *said* to be anything is NOT good enough. It must be PROVEN. You have no proof. The BEST Israeli archaeologists (which YOU have not even addressed ... not EVEN ONE point) say there is no evidence of Israel in Egypt. Until you do, your rubbish is dismissed for what it is. Rubbish. Do try harder next time, sport. Maybe one of these years you'll come up with something true or of value. Your whiney "kill the messenger" garbage is irrelevant. You have no *message*. The messenger is flat out incompetent and ignorant, (as demonstrated by your constant misuse and bad use of English). Your knowledge of religion and the ancient Near East is totally lacking. Totally. You're an amateur. Everyone can see that.